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"Generally, the mind of the ignorant, inflamed with anger with reference to an object, gets all the more inflamed with its mention."

~~ Jataka Mala , 15


6-8 challenge-angle

6th-from: Exploitation, Disagreement, and Toxicity

8th-from: Shocking Change, Destruction, and Sudden Rebirth

planned misalignments requiring realignment attention when transitioning between the domains which lie shad-ashtaka 6-8 from each other:

two energies working at cross-purposes



see 6th-from-Shukra

Agents and Environments of the satkona

  • xploiters and exploited; criminals and victims of crime; cheaters and cheating

  • the out-of-contract, the betrayed, the untrusted, the disenfranchised, the prostituted

  • the illegal, illicit, ill-suited, ill-matched, ill-disposed

  • physicians and the diseased; polluters and the polluted

  • jealousy, gluttony, larceny, thievery, usury, poverty,

  • accusers and complainers; litigators and prosecutors

  • agents of war and instigators of social conflict

  • the mother's relatives; servants and servitude; ministries of service

  • military - medicine - misery - mistreatment - ministry

6th-from [amsha] indicates

scarcity of support within one's alliances. Someone else has too much; the native has too little. Scarcity-thinking is type of mentality. Mentality is ruled by Budha.

  • 6th-from angles trigger the scripts that generate victimization [being eaten] and conflict

  • 6th-from angles indicate servitude caused by past-life theft or harm to another.

  • In the current life, Imbalances of the 6th-angle suggest that for pre-incarnationally planned reasons the script requires one to enter inequitable relationships wherein one gives more than one receives

In particular, 6th-from angles require pre-incarnationally planned engagement with poverty, exploitation, forced labor, caste bigotry, hatred, and disease.

The typical outcome of any 6 * 8 stress-angle = either physical or mental illness induced from the interior narrative of conflict between the agencies of the bhava = 6 versus the bhava = 8.

Negotiating periods of 6th-from requires conscious allocation of scarce resources.

Resources may be very basic food-clothing-shelter

Reserves may also be emotional such as touch, support, commitment to a shared future

Stored assets may even be spiritual, such as a punitive teacher who may withhold key information needed for progress upon the spiritual path.

On the social level, one is forced into an inferior position within relationships, and denied validation of equality.

On the emotional level, expect to enter and endure exploitive relationships, where one person is withholding resources from the other. In general a very difficult time.

8th-from = sudden transformation from one field of perception to the next. Forceful movement is a strength of Mangalar.


The 26, 000 year cycle of the //precession of the equinoxes // is an 8th-amsha cycle

  • 8th-from angles trigger fear of the unknown and trauma

  • Transitioning 8th-from requires cooperation with the tantrik force of consciousness that pushes one violently into the next field of perceptual awareness.

  • In particular, 8th-from angles require engagement with The circumstances of death.

shad-ashtaka 6-8 challenge-angle between Chandra-Surya

In a feminine nativity = deep frustration and anxiety rooted in disappointment toward her once-heroic father will emerge as she tries to care for [Chandra] her spouse. Periods of Surya bring men who re-enact the woman's internal, ever-repeating dialog of a hostile, unbalanced relationship with her father.

In a masculine nativity, deep frustration and anxiety rooted in disappointment toward his once-nurturing mother will emerge as he tries to inspire and enlighten [Surya] his spouse. Periods of Chandra bring women who re-enact the man's internal, ever-repeating dialog of a hostile, unbalanced relationship with his mother.

(If the Surya-Chandra angle is benevolent, the disappointment may be softened or slight.)

In a marriage (whether sexual or spiritual) the relationship between the radix graha who is rules Svamsha and the radix graha who is ruler of navamsha-7 will provide a good part of the profile of the native 's marriage. This pair of graha show which internal relationship inside one's own reality is being mirrored and triggered most intensively by the thoughts and actions of the spouse.

Should the radix graha who is rules Svamsha and the radix graha who is ruler of navamsha-7 be in a shad-ashtaka 6-8 angles, thee may be a rich opportunity for polarizing catalysis within the marriage.

  • The problem in its seed form lies entirely within the native, it is an internal conflict which is simply being manifest or dramatized by the social interaction with one's spouse.

  • The purpose of the marriage dynamic is simply to call this internal dysfunction to one 's conscious attention.

  • Once identified, the problem can be addressed and one may enjoy a happy marriage.

However, in itially, and for the sleepwalkers perhaps eternally, a shad-ashtaka 6-8 challenge-angle between the radix graha who is rules Svamsha and the radix graha who is ruler of navamsha-7 indicates a climate of victimization [being eaten] , scarcity (material or emotional), animosity, illness, and conflict up to the point of war (if the graha are violent by nature).

Starting Domain


occupies bhava-1

positive, iconic identification with vitality and movement

lagnesha [Surya in bhava-1]


lagnesha [Chandra in bhava-1]


[Mangala in bhava-1]





[Budha in bhava-1]

[Budha-Mithuna] [Bhadra Yoga]

[Budha-Kanya] [uchcha] [svakshetra]

[mūlatrikoṇa if within 16-20 deg = Hasta-3]

[ Bhadra Yoga]

lagnesha [Guru in bhava-1]

[Hamsa Yoga] [dikbala]




[Shukra-Urisha] [Malavya Yoga]

[Shukra-Tula] [Malavya Yoga]

Shani in Bhava-1

[Shani-Makara-Draco] [Śaśaka Yoga]

[Shani-Kumbha] [Sasaya Yoga]

  • Das Kapital 1818-1883 economics Karl Marx [financial-heritage Purvabhadra-2]

  • Memories Dreams Reflections 1875-1961 Carl Jung [counseling-advising Dhaniṣṭha-3] [mulatrikona]


The sick people and the chronically poor, with their narrative of irremediable weakness and insufficiency may annoy this native , who may struggle to mask frustration and indeed contempt for the victim mind.

Weakness when manageable presents opportunities for growth.

One has a substantial endowment of physical energy and may not naturally grasp the conditions of those who, for whatever reason, lack the vital energy to perform competitive movement.


Bhava 1

physical identity * material body * Visual appearance

Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-bhava-1

Bhava 6 - imbalance * shortages * enemies * disease

there is a natural animosity between the healthy material body and disease. The individual's body's need for balanced food and support naturally conflicts with the victim reality (6) of socially restricted access to food, medicine, and money.

erosion of trust due to wrong advice (12th from 7th) about health and harmony in life (7).

Any graha in 6 shows agent of the bad advice.

E.g., Chandra in 6 = mother gives incorrect health advice, Surya in 6 same for father; Mangala = brother or fellow soldier provides addictive drugs; Guru = a priest or preacher who advises overindulgence that throws off the inner balance.

Bhava 8 - secrets * healing * magic

there is a natural required transformation of the surface physical-identity when magical powers are activated through bhava-8. Identity is destroyed when we discover that bodies are mere guest houses for an eternal migrating spirit.

Lagnesha occupies bhava-2

[Surya in bhava-2]


[Chandra in bhava-2]

[Mangala in bhava-2]



  • Christian Science 1821-1910 Mary Baker Eddy [defensive-ancestral Rohiṇī-4]


[Budha in bhava-2]



[Guru in bhava-2]


[Guru-Makara] [nīcha]

[Shukra in bhava-2]




[Shani in bhava-2]

Alliances, allegiances, contract, deal-making, bargains, terms of agreement


Famous Face

Public speaking

CHANDRA complexities

For Karkata indriya-lagna nativities, Chandra-lagnesha in bhava-2, there is a double-whammy since the 6th-from-lagnesha will also be the [6th-from-Chandra] .

This compounding of emotional stress adds toxicity, suspicion, and accusation into the bargaining events.

  • UK-PM Finest Hour 1874-1965 Winston Churchill [Chandra-Simha-2 lagnesha] joins a staunch[ Shani-Makara-Draco] [Shani in Bhava-7] residing in his 6th-from-lagnesha.

  • Churchill was a career politician whose long career featured a wide span of leadership and service roles - some popular, some not. Churchill was most publicly identified with his extraordinary sustaining encouraging speeches during the darkest hours of Britain's bombardment by Nazi Germany.
  • Many credited his authoritative, insistent (Chandra Simha) speeches with maintaining the morale of an exhausted, nearly hopeless citizenry.
  • Churchill's strength and also his greatest challenge was the alliance-building work that he was undertook to get military and food support from Allies during WW-2. Most difficult would have been the thankless work of dealing with the questionably motivated ally Josef Stalin .
  • Shani-Makara enforces survival bargains in governance duty.


Bhava 2

positive, iconic identification with knowledge treasuries, lineages, Sustenance * values * food * wealth * birth family

Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-2nd = Bhava 7

marriage * agreements

there is a natural animosity between birth family and spouse, between the ancestral family values and the worldview of someone not from that family - the spouse. The two domains compete for resources.

erosion of trust due to "bad advice" (6th = 12th from 7th) about matters of 2: language, history, face-eyes-teeth-mouth, food, song and speech, memory, and conservation behaviors -- most commonly, saving cintamani * mani * money (2). Agency of the wrong advice = indicated by any graha in 7.

For example, Budha in bhava-7 may indicate that younger siblings or co-workers may be a source of wrong advice about conservation behaviors, money savings, or even referrals to a dentist (teeth) is Budha occupies an uncomfortable rashi.

Bhava-7 is normally a location for equitable advising and counseling but one exception is due to its location in 6th from 2nd, counsel arising for agents in 7 may be financially disreputable or misleading due to an unrecognized underlying animosity.

Lagnesha occupies Sahaja bhava- 3

[Surya in bhava-3]

[Chandra in bhava-3]



[Mangala in bhava-3]


[Mangala-Maraka-Draco] [uchcha]

[Budha in bhava-3]


[Budha in Vṛścika]

[Guru in bhava-3]


[Shukra in bhava-3]

[Shani in Bhava-3]

Sahaja bhava positive, iconic identification with

siblings * teamwork * Local group * mental process

  • usually busy and productive with the hands
  • can describe, diagram, and instruct others about their craft

positively identified with

  • siblings-cousins, schoolmates, scripts,
  • ensemble performance, committees,
  • explanations, instructions, descriptions. diagrams, paperwork
  • planning, scheduling, schematics, management, administration
  • sales-marketing-advertising, transactional patterns, meetings
  • reports, documentation, publishing, announcements
  • manufacturing, factories, manual skills, handcraft
  • writings, communication activities,

  • commercial business


Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-3rd = Bhava 8

secrets * healing * magic

there is a natural animosity between communicative, rational small group * team process and secret, privileged, magical knowledge. Mistrust and fear exists in the 6th-from gap between those who communicate normally, and those who use magical powers.

erosion of trust due to misleading advice (6th = 12th from 7th) about siblings, team-workers, neighbors, self-owned business (3). Agency of the wrong advice = indicated by any graha in 8.

For example,

Shukra in 8 within a husbandly nativity would suggest that the wifely figure may be a source of incorrect or unbalanced argument in matters of siblings, work-mates, sports teams, group meetings, or short-term travel. The wife would also be the natural target of inimical energy emanating from the younger sibling.

8th-from-3rd =Bhava 10

profession * dignity

there is a natural required transformation of local, sibling-type, extension-of-family communications into a much broader viewpoint, when the native undertakes public leadership. The neighborly circle of associations operates on common assumptions that break down at a higher level. Lagnesha in 3 often in adulthood develop an adversarial relationship to the marital in-laws. The family of the partner especially the partner's siblings (Mangala, natural regulator of 8) become anathema to the native .

3-8 = difficult angle because bhava-3 is highly mentalized. Being communicatively and commercially identified, one expresses ability and intelligence in areas of business administration, analysis, and planning. The partner's family may seem pretentious and incapable to the native, inferior (6) in their business abilities, and also prone to endless pointless cyclical (8) arguing (6) which never resolves.

If competitive Mangala is placed in 3 or 8 with strength, mutual contempt between the native and the in-laws can be fierce.

Lagnesha in Bhava 4



  • Publisher 1960-1999 attorney JFK-Jr [calculating-strategic Anuradha-2]

[Chandra-4] [Chandra-Tula] [svabhava] [dikbala]



[Mangala-Karkata] [nīcha]


  • Jyotiṣika 1956- educator BP Lama [explanatory-publishing Purvabhadra-3] [Kuja-4 parivartamsha Shani-1]




[Budha-Kanya] [uchcha] [Bhadra Yoga]



[Guru-Meena] [Hamsha Yoga]

  • Socialite 1963- beauty pageants Marla Maples Trump [optimistic-dogmatic Revatī-1]

  • Harmonices Mundi 1571-1630 Johannes Kepler [property-owning Purvabhadra-4] [real-estate]


[Shukra-Simha] [dikbala]



  • China-Dictator 1893-1976 Mao Zedong [calculating-strategic Dhaniṣṭha-2] [Shukra-4 parivartamsha Shani-1-uchcha]

  • USA-Sen-Utah 1947- finance Mitt Romney [financial-evaluating Śrāvaṇa-2]



[Shani-Mesha] [nīcha]


positive, iconic identification with home * foundations * Schooling * security

patriotic, nationalistic, loyal to the ethnicity-ethnoreligion, rooted in the land, farmer, gardener, miner, fisher, schoolteacher, police, protector, shelter-builder, parent


Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-4th = Bhava 9

advantage to mother, folkways, home-culture rhythms and roots

disadvantage to father * philosophy

Natural imbalance between the ritual rhythms of the folkways folkways, ancient customs, and established cultural norms including visible acts of ritual piety versus the doctrinal, dharmic, theoretical, ideological discourse of the philosophers (high religion). There are important spirits protecting or harassing both locations which must be tended.

But parochial and universal domains always compete for attention and resources. Mother's domain and father's domain are naturally incommensurable, and imbalanced.

  • On Golden Pond 1937- drama-fitness Jane Seymour Fonda [Mangala-4] patriotic activism finds a natural animosity with 9-ideology, beliefs. JSF has a long history of criticism [6th] for her outspoken style of expressing her citizenship [4]/ She also had decades of challenge with her father, a narcissistic celebrity figure [9]

8th-from-4th = Bhava 11

marketplace * networks

there is a natural required transformation of the private, home-bound behaviors and assumptions when the native enters the much broader socio-cultural domain of the public marketplace.

To make profitable exchanges of goods and information, the native must grow out of their maternal comfort zone, and learn to adapt to the culture of adult friends and business associates.

positively identified with school-teaching, parenting, house and home, emotional security

[Mangala-4] in the shad-ashtaka 6/8 angle from Chandra-Karkata suggests potential for sudden eruptions of force for the mother

  • On Golden Pond 1937- drama-fitness Jane Seymour Fonda [Mangala-4 = lagnesha + rogesha.] Mom suffered from both bipolar mood dysregulation and also Borderline personality pattern. Brilliantly creative, beautiful, and born into privilege, mom was magnificent at the high end of her spectrum. When she swung suddenly to the low end of her mood continuum, mom became suicidal and threatening to others. [JSF age 12] 14-Apr-1950 maternal suicide via the gruesome style of slicing her throat with a razor, while mom was isolated in a mental asylum

Lagnesha in bhava-5

energized iconic identification with politics + literary creativity + celebrity + performance art

[Surya-5] [Surya-Dhanus]


[Chandra-5] [Chandra-Vṛścika] [nīcha]

[Mangala-5] [Mangala-Meena] [for Vṛścika indriya- lagna]




  • Imagine 1940-1980 Beatle John Lennon [networking-collectivist Arcturus-3]





  • Raag Khamaj 1920-2012 sitarist Ravi Shankar [mysterious-evolving Pushya-4]


[Shukra-Kanya] [nīcha]





  • Totem and Taboo 1856-1939 psychoanalysis Sigmund Freud [shocking-eruptive Mriga-4]

  • Oracle Database 1944- Larry Ellison [systematic-connected Arudra-3]

Much as one craves recognition when the lagnesha occupies bhava-5 the house of celebrity, it is ironically quite difficult to establish a harmonious relationship with one's superiors at work.

The problem might be resolved if the nativity features very strong graha in bhava-10. Typically However, the native is unhappy on a creative level due to the natural 6 * 8 relationship between work duties (10) and personal expression of divine intelligence (5). One feels cramped and unrecognized in the professional hierarchy, often forced into the servitude of dull or repetitive tasks which numb the creative instincts.

Seeking an outlet for the more personal and less institutional artistic expression, one may try to create a non-professionalized validation such as children's theatre but the tension between needing public respect and validation(10) versus enjoying the presence of the Muse (5) being a Shani-Surya tension is not easily reconciled. Over time one will favor the stronger house (likely 5 since 5 contains the lagnesha) and begin to dread the weaker house which is likely 10.

Bhava 5

positive, iconic identification politics, * children * willfulness * Gambling * Games * celebration * fame



Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-5th = Bhava 10

profession * dignity

there is a natural imbalance and animosity between personal creativity and the conservative rules of public honor; between free-wheeling celebrity and public responsibility; between individual publications and daily administration; between children and career.

8th-from-5th = Bhava 12

dreams * meditation * Sanctuary

there is a natural required transformation of the ego-expressive personality (5) when ego-dissolving meditation is activated through bhava-12. Celebrity is destroyed when we discover that egos are mere scaffolding for the wisdom-edifice of an eternal migrating spirit.

Public Figure Examples

[Surya in bhava-6]

[Chandra in bhava-6]


[Mangala in bhava-6]


[Mangala-Kanya] [Sarala Yoga]


[Budha in bhava-6]

[Budha in Vṛścika]



[Guru in bhava-6]




[Shukra in bhava-6]



[Shani in Bhava-6]


[Shani-Karkata] [Vimala Yoga]

  • POTUS-26 National Parks 1858-1919 Theodore Roosevelt [ideological-optimistic Aśleṣa-1]

  • A New Earth 1948- philosopher Eckhart Tolle [explaining-commercial Aśleṣa-3]

Lagnesha occupies bhava-6

Bhava 6 positive, iconic identification with medical treatment, conflict management, military, unfair contracts, unbalanced arrangements * enemies * disease * Poverty * Crime



Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-6th = Bhava 11

marketplace * networks

there is a natural imbalance and animosity between the state of financial or health imbalance (6) and the state of gainful income. They cannot simultaneously coexist. Throughout the lifetime, neither win definitively win the conflict, but they will always dislike each other.

erosion of trust due to bad advice (12th from 7th) about animosity, debt, and disease (6). Agency indicated by any graha in 11.

For example,

  • Surya in bhava-11 can indicate that Father or male-figure (husband for a female, also father's brother, father's co-worker) gives misleading or unbalanced advice

The agent in 11 delivers wrong argument (6th from) regarding matters of 6: debt management, taking loads, paying medical expenses, buying or using drugs, use of alcohol, prostitution or exploitive sexual practices, etc. It is a double-bad as 6th-from-6th

This is only a problem usually if there are strong graha in both 6 and 11.

8th-from-6th = Bhava 1

identity * body

there is a natural required transformation of the scarcity-thinking which drives reality of bhava-6, into prosperity-thinking which encourages spirits to remain in human bodies. If this transformation fails, life is crippled by illness. If it succeeds, all flourishr.

positively identified with

  • illness, debt poverty, class-conflict, employees, labor-relations, workplace issues, injustice, unfair deals, slaves, exploitation, medicine, pollution, health, and service ministry


Mental management of the conflict. Logical Reasoning.


Bitterly frustrated.

Bhava 7 positive, iconic identification deal-making, Balanced affairs * marriage * contracts * agreements * harmony

One is defined by partnership, alliance, negotiations, pairings, advisors, equals

Lagnesha in bhava-7 * negotiators, collaborators, partnering, peerage






[Budha in bhava-7]


  • POTUS-pair-18 Civil War 1826-1902 Julia Dent Grant [bargaining-contractual Pūrvāṣāḍhā-3]

* **

[Budha-Meena] [nīcha]

  • Out on a Limb 1934- drama-esoterica Shirley MacLaine [institutional-regulatory Revatī-2] [nicha-Budha-7 parivartamsha + mutual exchange Guru-1]








Bhava 12= dreams * meditation * retreat * invisibility * bedroom privacy * Sanctuary * music studio * trance states



6th-from-7th = animosity toward the equal, mutual-sharing world of 7 comes from the private world of bhava-12 produces expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of

there is a natural incommensurability between mutually-agreed partnership decisions versus the private vision-and-fantasies a person develops in their own head. There is conflict by design between under-the-table or covert dealings (12), and public legal contracts (7).

8th-from-7th = Bhava 2

values * wealth

there is a natural required transformation of the two-sets-of-values lifestyle of egalitarian relationships such as marriage, into the fully merged condition of two people having the same values. Once the partners have identical values , have become a family), major wealth can be obtained.

Lagnesha occupies bhava- 7

positively identified with harmony, deal-making, negotiations

These are general conditions which dramatize

  • when there are graha in the bhava that manifest a social agent
  • during the period of the ruler of the 6th-from bhava or the period of the ruler of the 8th-from bhava

Guru-Shukra. Not an easy imbalance to manage, as two sources of fortune dislike each other but one wants both of course.

Natural animosity between one's identification with contractual relationships vs. The world of private, clandestine undertaking. The native 's preference is strongly for above-board, clearly termed mutual-interest contracts; whereas the machinations and under-the-table schemes of 12 are very frustrating to deal with.

Travel to distant lands and cultures is not a happy experience for the native, who does not function well in the dreamlike haze of foreign travel. This native is deeply involved in understanding the terms of agreement and developing balanced alliances. One is a rational proceduralist with a preference for resolution of all imbalances via the law courts. Relationships which are unbalanced because they have a corrupt or privatized basis (12) are anathema to this soul. Shukra-Shukra. Easy to manage. Two sorts of sweets.

Relationship to the family history undergoes many changes in this life. The cycle of destruction and rebirth may oblige the native to participate actively in the care of dying family members. Often during period of dhanapati-2.

Public Figure Examples

identified with transformative identity change, catastrophic upheaval, mysteries, hidden empowerments

[Surya in-bhava-8]


[Chandra in-bhava-8]


[Mangala in-bhava-8]

[Mangala-Mithuna] [Harsha Yoga]



  • POTUS-13 Slave Trade Compromise 1800-1874 Millard Fillmore [ideological Jyeṣṭha-1] [Kuja-yuti-Shukra]

  • Russ-Soviet 1878-1953 Man-of-Steel Josef Stalin [political-dramatic Anuradha-1]

  • VPOTUS Military Weapons Contracts 1941- Dick Cheney [profitable-gridworked Jyeṣṭha-3]

[Budha in-bhava-8]


[Budha in Vṛścika] [Harsha Yoga]


lagnesha Guru in-bhava-8

[Guru-Karkata] [uchcha]


[Guru-Tula] Meena lagnesha


[Shukra in-bhava-8]

[Shukra-Urisha] [svakshetra]

[Shukra-Dhanus] [8] [Harsha Yoga]

[Shani in-bhava-8]


[Shani-Kanya] [Vimala Yoga]

Lagnesha in Bhava 8

Mystical initiators, agents of revolutionary transformation, shocking discovery, and secret-keeping disguise

Bhava 8 positive, iconic identification with hidden assets, unknown or camouflaged origins, secrets * healing * Sacrifice * transformation



Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-8th = Bhava 1

identity * body

There is a natural imbalance and animosity between the invisible world of magical powers and the limited, filtered, screened perceptual material world of the body. Delusory appearance of the world is sacrificially transformed into a higher truth - for those who can see. Those who can't see feel blind and angry at the apparent loss.

8th-from-8th = Sahaja bhava

sibling * small group * communal process

There is a natural required transformation of invisible reality and secret powers into pragmatic, daily mental practice in order to accomplish good communication. Secrets must be explained in practical teachings. Mangala-Mangala. Secretive.

Mangala-Budha. Cranky and critical.

Lagnesha occupies bhava-9

positive, iconic identification with dharma, doctrine, philosophy, ideology, ultimate principles, credenda, father-figures, patrons, faith

[Surya in-bhava-9] [Surya-Mesha] [uchcha]


[Chandra in-bhava-9] [Chandra-Meena]


[Mangala in-bhava-9]

[Mangala-Karkata] [nīcha]



[Budha in-bhava-9]





[Guru in-bhava-9]

[Guru-Karkata] [uchcha]




[Shukra in-bhava-9]



[Shani in-bhava-9]


[Shani-Tula] [uchcha]

Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-9th = Bhava 2

Bhava 9 positive, iconic identification with father * religion * Priestly Ritual * Human Communication with world of Spirit

'real' values * wealth



there is a natural imbalance and animosity between

the intangible values expressed in priestly ritual of bhava-9

  • symbolic ritual foods such as holy wine and communion host
  • priceless spiritual wealth
  • universal religious symbolism

versus the tangible, material values of bhava-2

  • sustaining food
  • materialized cintamani * mani * money
  • traditional culture art and aesthetics

Both dharma-bhava and dhana-bhava are good houses. The only difference = the Earth-bound values of dhana-bhava perish at death, while the more universal values of dharma-bhava persist across incarnations.

These two worlds of value do compete for the resource of the native 's earthly time, and therein lies the 'conflict'r.

erosion of trust due to"bad advice" (6th = 12th from 7th) about religious worship, university scholarship, global travel (9). Agency of the wrong advice = indicated by any graha in 2.

For example, Chandra in 2 might indicate that the mother is a source of unbalanced advice regarding one's scholarly, theological or philosophical endeavors.

8th-from-9th = [Bhava 4]

home * foundations * security

there is a natural required transformation of the guru-father's domain - communication with peoples different from us, those who do not share our customs, do not Own thingsand often do not have bodies -- translating from the human world to the spiritual world and back --

into the goddess-mother's domain - loving relationships between people very similar to us, detailed practices for how to own things, for managing our lands and kinship, sustaining emotional and physical security in our familiar world ruled by our mother, Earth.

The 4 * 9 transformation is an endless negotiation of two essential but incommensurable worlds. Each apparent loss of physical * emotional security followed by a gain in 'yang' creative spiritual wisdom which forces a return to the 'yin' world of security and ownership under the Great Mother.

Bhava-4 and bhava-9 are both fortunate amsha, conferring security (4) and wisdom (9). This ongoing transformation is part and parcel of the human condition, and with skill can be deeply enjoyed.

Guru-Shukra. Not an easy imbalance to manage, as two sources of fortune dislike each other but one wants both of course.

There is a natural animosity between the native and the family history. Lack of harmony between the life purpose of the native and the lineage values-fulfillment of the family culture.

The inherent energetic animosity creates a cycle of chronic illness or discomfort while one is growing up inside the family bounds. There may be implicit or explicit arguing (6) in the family, especially between the parents. Food (2) or drink (2) may be a contentious issue.

The discomfort resolves when the native goes to university (9) or into temple culture (9) undertakes world travel (9) or other suitable dharma (9) that liberates the native from servitude to the family.

Guru-Chandra. Mixed relationship with the parents, who tend to be more conservative and security focused than this globe-trotting native. Parental fixity upon the land, the good-behavior approach to schooling, the immediate ethnic folkways, ancient customs, and established cultural norms, = frustrating to a world-knowing lagnesha in dharma bhava.

Parents and the mother's lineage in particular suffer from parochialism which constrains and possibly even paralyzes their access to broader wisdom Parental limits which pinch the native 's sense of philosophical truth include the ethnic religion, and the parents or local-culture habit of confusing ethnic folkways, ancient customs, and established cultural norms with true religion.

Nevertheless, there is tolerance in this combination. The parents are accepted as precious servants (6) whose loving labors have facilitated the native 's birth into present priestly roles. One feels affectionate and accepting even while chomping at the cultural bit.

Lagnesha occupies bhava- 10


[Surya-10] [Surya-Urisha] [dikbala]

[Chandra-10] [Chandra-Mesha]

[Mangala-10] [Mangala-Singha]


[Mangala-Makara-Draco] [uchcha] [dikbala] [Ruchaka Yoga]



[Budha-Meena] [nīcha]



  • Purple Rain 1958-2016 guitarist Prince [ministering-complaining Chitra-2] [vargottamsha]







[Shani-Tula] [uchcha] [Śaśaka Yoga]


[Shani in Vṛścika ]

  • Origin of Species 1809-1892 naturalist Charles Darwin [arranging-contractual Anuradha-3] [navamsha-Shani-Tula-uchcha]

Leadership - Reputation - Iconic Roles

Socially recognized personality identification with Bhava 10 high visibility roles

[akashic memory patterns] duty * legislative * regulatory * institutional * law profession * social Authority * Prestige * dignity = Public Life


One may be a captain of industry or an important leader in a hierarchical social order. One is powerfully identified with a respected, visible, directing social role in 'big business'.

Small business

the day-to-day, often invisible, back office task labor which spins the wheels of commerce = the portfolio of bhava-3.

  • The secretaries and the salespeople, the technicians and the craftspeople, the customer service agents and the event planners.
  • The meetings, the agendas, the memoranda, the paperwork, the daily communications
  • the endless lists of things to do.

Large-scale , wide-influence decisions such as are made by those at the top of a hierarchy are usually in conflict with the daily interests of the small-scale , detailed and task-specific concerns of the office worker.

When too much focused on tactical details from the small picture, the big picture loses strategic power . One must generally choose to see either the forest or the trees.

One may be socially identified (lagnesha) with the big picture and may naturally resent being dragged into conflict with what seem like petty concerns of the smaller scale mental processes of individual tasks.

  • POTUS-28 The State 1856-1924 Woodrow Wilson [uchcha-Mangala occupies political-entitled Dhaniṣṭha-1] + [Chandra-yuti-Shukra] WW spent much of his eight-year POTUS tenure doing battle with the petty parochialism of an onstructionist Congress.

As usual, The devil is in the details. This is a Shani-Budha conflict which not too severe because there is no big ego-membrane involved. Managing (not resolving) it requires extending one's leadership awareness (10) into the realm of the daily task officer (3) and maintaining respect for the tasks of petty administration even while not appropriating those concerns into one's own scope of decision-making. Shani-Surya.

A learning-challenge

intractable conflict as personal ego-membrane of creative intelligence collides with the duties and responsibilities of public office.



Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-10th = Bhava 3

sibling * small group * communal process

There is a natural animosity between the larger, national or international scale of leadership and the smaller communal or tribal unit. Global vs. local. The greater dignity applies to the better house, which is karma-sthāna. Undoubtedly, local affairs drain away energy for grand scale leadership; meetings and business procedures leech the grand structural vision; petty affairs consume the power of great leaders everywhere.

CHILDREN 6/8 -from-10 = Bhava 5

children * fame = Downside potential


Guru lagnesha occupies 6th-from-5, and putrasthāna is very highly egocentric. Contentious or accusing relationship to eldest child.

  • Out on a Limb 1934- drama-esoterica Shirley MacLaine SM sent her only child, a daughter, to live with SM's husband in Japan, where the child was raised in negligent conditions. Neither parent tended to the child, who was warehoused in boarding schools, and the father became abusive. The child later wrote an accusing tell-all book, in which SM's parental negligence and the child's abandonment were exposed to the public. SM denied the narrative.


  • Israel-PM 1898-1978 Our Strength Golda Meir GM leadership roles became so urgently demanding that she effectively left home. Husband became a single-parent householder and the children, while educated and housed, nevertheless lost primacy in their mother's schedule.


  • Theory of Relativity 1879-1955 Physics Albert Einstein. First child, born pre-maritally, was abandoned. Another son suffered severe mental illness. AE's remaining son became a professor, but had only limited communications with his negligent, absentee father -- the great public figure.

Lagnesha occupies bhava-11

[Surya occupies bhava-11]


[Chandra occupies bhava-11]

[Mangala occupies bhava-11]




[Budha occupies bhava-11]


  • Germinal 1840-1902 J'accuse Emile Zola [champion-challenger Aśvini-1]

  • Be Here Now 1931-2019 Baba Ram Dass [ritualized-habitual Aśvini-4]

  • NASCAR 1951-2001 motorsports Dale Earnhardt [teamworking-managing Aśvini-3] + [Kuja-yuti-Surya-uchcha]



[Guru occupies bhava-11]


[Guru-Makara] [nīcha]

  • Foursquare Evangelist 1890-1944 Aimee Semple McPherson [champion-initiator Śrāvaṇa-1]

  • Sophie's Choice 1949- drama Meryl Streep [imaginative-guiding Uttarāṣāḍha-4]

[Shukra occupies bhava-11]


  • Germany Bundeskanzlerin 1954- Angela Merkel [rhythmic-habitual Magha-4]

[Shukra-Meena] [uchcha]

  • POTUS-05 Monroe Doctrine 1758-1831 James Monroe [bargaining-contractual Uttarabhadra-3]

  • UK-PM Global Alliance 1953- Tony Blair [Uttarabhadra-2] [Shukra-11 parivartamsha Guru-1]

[Shani in classroom-11]

[Shani in Vṛścika ]


positively identified with large-scale assemblies, fund-raising, economic gains, community networks

positive, iconic personality identification with matters of Bhava 11 such as economic gainfulness and profits * associative and distributive systems * knit-net-knot * marketplace * networks * interconnected communities

Shani-Chandra may be emotionally draining but it will stabilize except for the Shani-Chandra bhukti which can be miserable.

Shani-Budha. Can be managed by planning and programming.

Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-11th = [Bhava 4]

home * foundations * security

There is a natural animosity between the large-scale connectivity of the marketplace, mingling among peoples with many different customs, versus the sheltered, culturally homogenous, emotionally protected home environment-4 wherein everyone was raised to follow one set of rules: mother's rules-4.

8th-from-11th = Bhava 6

imbalance * Shortages * enemies * disease

There is a crisis of transformative destruction starting from Labhasthāna's robustly gainful free market spiraling downward to Ari Bhava's tightly policed, weak, exploitive, impoverished victim state.

8th-from Labha's peak speculative creativity of negotiation (11th = 5th-from-7th, peak creativity of balancing) shows the terrible underbelly of capital markets: Ari's world of master-slave exploitation.

In order to return to balanced health, the crisis cycle must end with another jump of 6th-from-6th. As always, 6th-from-6th imbalances the imbalance by returning to 11, throwing the energy forward to a state of social equilibrium, characterized by openness to new ideas and opportunity for all.

Lagnesha occupies bhava-12

visionary undertakings * spiritual guidance * private prayer * bedroom matters * meditation * Sleep * magic

[Surya occupies bhava-12] [Surya-Karkata]

[Chandra occupies bhava-12] [Chandra-Mithuna]

[Mangala-12 [

[Mangala-Tula][Harsha Yoga]

[Mangala-Meena] [Sarala Yoga]

[Budha occupies bhava-12]




  • Open Society 1930- capitalist George Soros [ministering-logistical Pūrvaphalgunī-2]

[lagnesha] [Guru in bhava-12]



[Shukra occupies bhava-12] [Harsha Yoga]


[Shani occupies bhava-12]

positive , iconic personality identification with matters of Bhava 12

such as privacy, dreams * meditation * Sanctuary * Subconscious * private worlds

Guru-Surya. Barely a noticeable conflict.

Guru-Shukra. Not an easy imbalance to manage, as two sources of fortune -- private prayer vs. shared wealth of marriage -- dislike each other. Yet one wants both sources of happiness of courser.

Expected conflict, accusations, imbalance expressed via the agency of 6th-from-12th = Bhava 5 * agents of conflict may be children * politicians * game-players * royal or celebrity figures * romantic ideals * those seeking fame

As any parent will testify, there is a natural animosity between private peace of the adult bedroom and meditative sanctuary, versus the boisterous, effusive, loud, and infinitely demanding energy of children.

Although spirits in young bodies are delightful in their own way, they definitely are the enemy of grown-up peace and quiet :) Just so, fame and speculation, all that glitters, including literary creativity and the full range of life's fascinating psychodrama - all matters of putrasthāna -are the natural enemies of deep inner sanctuaryr.

8th-from-12th = Bhava 7

marriage * agreements

There is a natural required transformation of the private, inner world of personal subconscious dream and fantasy, into the conversational interactive partnership of marriage and business agreements. The crisis involves learning to live in two worlds. This is always The message of 8th-from: there are many levels of reality.

The skillful observer of self and other who can define the various domains clearly, can negotiate the realms. They know when to apply the rules of their private world and when to acknowledge the world of their partner.

The less skillful, or those with strong planets in relative shad-ashtaka 6-8 challenge-angle s, will find themselves angry and frustrated when they try to use rules from a private world in a shared psychic space, or vice versa.

QUOTATION Das commentary WRT Chandra-Guru = 6 * 8

[Moon is in 6 from Jupiter or Moon is in 8 from Jupiter]

"The Moon and Jupiter are sixth or eighth from each other. This shows, that you do not have a very happy relationship with Jupiter, which tends to cause you to take the wrong decisions in life.

There will be times when you lose your fortune temporarily, and then regain it later.

There may at the same time be some blemish on your reputation. It may seem to happen over and over like some sort of repeating tormenting situation in life."

QUOTATION from Dalai Lama , Answers: Discussions with Western Buddhists. edited by Jose Ignacio Cabezon

" Now, you see, world peace through mental peace is an absolute. It is the ultimate goal. But as for the method, there are many factors that must be taken into consideration.

Under a particular set of circumstances, a certain approach may be useful while under other circumstances another may be useful.

This is a very complicated issue which compels us to study the situation at a particular point of time. We must take into account the other side's motivation, etc., so it is a very complex matter.

  • But we must always keep in mind that all of us want happiness.

  • War, on the other hand, only brings suffering--that is very clear.

  • Even if we are victorious, that victory means sacrificing many people.

  • It means their suffering.

Therefore, the important thing is peace. But how do we achieve peace?

Is it done through hatred, through extreme competition, through anger?

It is obvious that through these means it is impossible to achieve any form of lasting world peace.

  • Hence, the only alternative is to achieve world peace through mental peace, through peace of mind.

  • World peace is achieved based only on a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood, on the basis of compassion.

The clear, genuine realization of the oneness of all mankind is something important. It is something we definitely need.

Wherever I go, I always express these views." [end quote]



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