OM hram hrim hraum sah suryaya namah
ॐ ऐं ह्रीं श्रीं वाग्देव्यै सरस्वत्यै नमः ॥
Learning Pathway 5
children & games
the fifth house
nati * intellegentia * ludum
creativity, celebrity, children
the learning classroom of vidyasthana-5 = ruled by Professor Surya
the literati - the glitterati - the politerati
The Fame of Politics
The Politics of Fame
Henry-VIII with Charles-V + Pope-Leon-X. c 1520
" Success is not to be measured by how much financial wealth is possessed,
but whether you are able to create at will what you need. "
~~Autobiography of a Yogi 1893-1952 Swami Yogananda
"The creation of something new is not accomplished by the intellect but by the play instinct acting from inner necessity.
The creative mind plays with the objects it loves."
QUOTATION from ~~Memories Dreams Reflections 1875-1961 Carl Jung
B. V. Raman, Autobiography of a vedic astrologer , p.95
"...if the fifth house is subject to favorable combinations or aspects,
the son will become prominent
and the native himself would either secure authority by dint of effort
or secure mantra siddhi .
Vimshottari Periods of the Rulers of Bhava-1-to-12
"My mission in life is not merely to survive, but to thrive; and to do so with some passion, some compassion, some humor, and some style."
~~ Maya Angelou
Creativity * Children * Celebrity * Royalty * Romance * Genius * Games * Uniqueness * Entertainments * Drama * Intelligence * Ideals
The Great Thought
brilliant, glamorous, romantic, radiant, solipsistic, self-referential, flamboyant, privileged, celebrated personalities
egocentric personalities often found in worlds of politics and entertainment
prizes for artistic performance, drama, literary genius
ego-awards for brightness, entitlement, glamour (distinguish from bhava-11 awards for work accomplished)
Creativity, authorship, autocracy; children of body, mind, and spirit:
politics, theatre and drama; politics, performance art; self-expression,
celebrity, literature, brilliance, good luck; spontaneous genius;
gambling, speculation, charismatic winning of competitions and campaigns
dvadamsha = table of 12 sub-portions of bhava-5
[Surya] main page
" If you are creative, you get busier as you get older."
" The children born to woman are her qualifications
and these are to be judged from the fifth houses from her Janma Lagna, Atmakaraka, Jupiter and the Sun."
~ Jaimini Sutram, Sarga-4, Shloka-1
" Those training in great love should forsake self-centeredness and engage in the Buddha's practice, the root of which is compassion.
You may be thinking, Love is indeed very profound, but I do not have the skill to practice it; I will focus my efforts on practices aimed at getting myself out of cyclic existence instead.
Even if you cannot actually implement the practices of love and compassion, merely hearing about them establishes powerful predispositions for future success.
This can be amplified by planting prayer-wishes aspiring to altruism.
It is particularly important to do the best you can."
glimmer, glitter, glow, glory, glamour,
sparkle, spark, splendor, spotlight,
spectacle, speculation, spectacular
royal, regal, righteous, reich, rich, right,
celestial, celebrations, celebrity
king, queen, clown, court, courtier, courtly love
jewels and ornaments - romance and royalty - celebrity and children - games and gambling - amusements and entertainments - fortune and luck
Learning Style - Learning Disabilities -
Independent Thinking and Individual Thought * unique individual intelligence
Creative arts and fine literature
Divine Intelligence * Prestige - Muse - Speculation * Politics * Fame
Theatre * center-stage roles * Celebrations - Festivals - Amusement - Divine Light * self-Expression * s olipsism * self-centeredness
Sruti - Smriti
wealth from speculation - Stock Market -
Admiration - Adulation - Applause - Approval - Acclaim - Authorship - Authenticity - Adventure
Maharaja Serfoji II of Tanjavur and his son Shivaji II.
Tanjavur, Tamil Nadu, India. Mid-19th century. Wood, lime plaster, water-base paint, gold leaf, glass.
Source: Peabody Essex Museum
5 creative intelligence, is seen via
QUOTATION Rajatarangini , 8.335
" The ruler of Lanka (Ravana), the conqueror of the worlds, got defeat from the animals (the monkeys).
The best of the kings, the Kuru king (Duryodhana), suffered a kick at the head.
At the end, everybody in common with everyone else suffers humiliation, which takes away his respect.
Who then is he, who under the influence of conceit, thinks that he is great?"
QUOTATION V. S. Apte, Practical Sanskrit-English Dictionary , p. 1029
Vocabulary for Suta bhava
QUOTATION Koeln Digital Sanskrit Lexicon
QUOTATION from Pt Narasimha Rao
" Let us take the 5th house as another example.
It shows intelligence, following, devotion etc.
The 5th house in D-20, the chart of religious activities, shows one's devotion (bhakti) in religious activities.
A5 in D-20 shows the things based on which the world forms an impression about one's devotion.
So A5 shows them.
The 5th house in D-10, the chart of career, shows the following one has.
In D-24, the chart of learning, the 5th house may show intelligence.
BPHS Sarga 11: 6
"The learned should deduce from Putra Bhava
Phaladeepika, Ch1, Shloka-11-12
"A royal emblem, minister,
are represented by the 5th house."
Madhya Parashari, Sarga-9, Shloka 5
Sons [children], intellect, mantraa,
faith in God, heart, and maternal uncles
be deduced from the fifth house.
BPHS Ch. 11, Shloka-1-3
Should Putra's lord be in Ari, Randhra, or Vyaya Bhava,
there will be no offspring.
BPHS Ch. 11, Shloka-6
" If Dhana's lord is in Putra Bhava the native will be wealthy.
Not only the native, but also his sons, will be intent on earning wealth."
BPHS Ch. 15
the native will be endowed with comforts related to lands, conveyances, houses, etc., and musical instruments."
300 Combinations 1912-1998 Jyotiṣika B. V. Raman
" ...if the fifth house is subject to favorable combinations or aspects,
the son will become prominent
and the native himself would either secure authority by dint of effort
or secure mantra siddhi ."
How and where does the native express one's experience of creative intelligence, royal entitlement, theatrical genius, and brilliance in games?
vidya-pati-5 = an agent of romance, poetry, entertainments, and delight. Putra bhava is a svabhava- of Surya, the king. vidya-pati-5 activities tend toward self-centered expression including stage performance, political popularity campaigns, idealized"falling in love" , and speculative"I know I'm a winner" rolls of the dice,
Divine Intelligence, poetry, romance, children, brilliance, gamesmanship, showboating, sowing off, fame, glamour, royalty, celebrity, entitlements, centrality, bright lights, ego, performance arts, politics, literary genius, theatre, creativity, fashion, self-expression, independence, scholarship, ingenuity, selfishness, autocracy, autonomy, self-reflexivity, self-reference, self-evident truth, entertainment, amusement, gambling, games, speculative investment, good luck, confidence
Matters of the bhava- occupied by vidya-pati-5 may produce acts of genius or self-will .
An instinct toward creative expression including both procreative (making fleshly children) and spiritually creative (making performance art and literature) inhabits the bhava.
One may feel blessed and fortunate to possess the intelligence necessary to express one's higher will .
The vidya-pati-5 is by nature positive and confident.
Das comment WRT //The lord of the 5 has at least one beneficial placement attribute.//
" Your children may become very wealthy and fortunate. You will be very powerful, do well and will be a friend of highly paced people. You are intelligent and educated. You will have many people who listen to your advice."
Das commentary WRT "The lord of the 5
" A variation of "Daridra" Yoga is present in your chart. At times you will experience some poverty or financial difficulties. This is a common and general combination that many people have, and it accounts for the general type of troubles that come and go in most of our lives."
Das commentary WRT // The lord of the 5 has at least one beneficial placement attribute. //
" Your children may become very wealthy and fortunate.
You will be very powerful, do well and will be a friend of highly placed people.
You are intelligent and educated.
You will have many people who listen to your advice."
The royal court provides best opportunities for creative learning [Surya] that is not constrained by the fears of the common people [Shani] .
Autocratic expressions of the royal court's charismatic authority include
As the sthana of divine love (not marriage duties, only poetic love!) Surya's svabhava signifies primarily the deepest loves of all: infinite love of God and unconditional love of one's children.
Thus putra profiles the wellsprings of creativity, which flow forth in spiritual practice, literature, poetry, arts, cultivated exquisitry of life at court, and romance.
Other aspects of courtly life are included in the portfolio of bhava-5. E.g., parties and celebratory social gatherings, opportunities to express one's intelligence and wit, brilliant performances, ambassadors and ministers, various forms of amusements, (where the Muse is present), speculation, games and competitions of all kinds.
www.etymonline.com = English etymology of "king"
or from a related root suggesting "noble birth," making a king originally "one who descended from noble birth."
the sociological and ideological implications make this a topic of much debate.
Mantra, Tantra, Siddhi, and Sacred Arts
Putra [Skt] child [Eng]
Finding one's children in the chart -
count the emotional relationship with each child from Chandra lagna:
count the material relationship with each child (physical body, finance etc) from radix lagna
For a fuller profile of each child, also count children
Bhaga = Luck
During Vimshottari dasha period s of graha which occupy bhava-5, some type of"luck" or surprising, delightful, enchanting fortune is expected.
" Luck"arrives in the form that is dictated by the natural characteristics of the graha as well as the graha's temporal bhava lordship.
(malefic) Ketu-Meena/5 will provide good luck and broader access to knowledge from dhanapati-2 + vidya-pati-5 Prosperous Guru, but the circumstances will involve some type of Ketu-style disconnection and abandonment.
(benefic) Guru-Tula -5 may provide good luck from yuvati-pati-7 +karmesha-10 Compassionate Leader Guru. However, the circumstances will involve some type of large-scale responsibility which may seem a bit overwhelming at first.
Odd types of luck
When the fifth lord is positively disposed, one may have good luck in games of chance. Compulsive gamblers may be seen with Rahu-Ketuin putra or dharma bhava, or Rahu-Ketu with ruler of bhava- 5 .
However, one's personal profits or losses from"playing" these funds are determined by putra bhava and its attributes.
Advice for the day:
If you have a lot of tension and you get a headache, do what it says on the aspirin bottle:
" Take two aspirin" and "Keep away from children"
The astrological picture of *genius * as expressed through children, artistic talent, creativity, or speculation (gambling) is expanded by noting:
Counting by Conceptions rather than live births
A word to the wise:
Sometimes the mother consciously connects with the spirit of a failed pregnancy and sometimes she does not.
Each house lord residing in putra bhava will strongly mark the fate and character of the children.
Putra bhava is the svabhava ofthe Sun, karaka for Self.
The most basic form of self-expression is procreativity, producing and/or raising children that resemble one physically, psychically, morally, or intellectually. The alternative or next level is creativity in the arts. Putra bhava contains the profile of the full range of self-expression through the literary, fine, plastic, and performance arts.
However, the principle of bhavat bhavam , negative effects of a strong karaka in its own house , says that too much creative power in the dramatic or fine arts will usually deny or reduce children.
Major performance artists will tend very much toward childlessness or a single child, unless they can arrange surrogate parents like housekeepers or nannies to actually raise their children.
Childlessness is most simply known through an unproductive position of the 5th lord .
Suta bhava signifies "intelligence" .
One definition of 'intellect' is 'the faculty by which humans can assess thoughts'.
Rashi, graha, and drishti upon bhava-5 will define the scope of creative intelligence.
bhava-4 = the socialization level of education.
bhava-5 = individual intelligence.
Many of the world figures featured in these Jyotisha pages will indeed have distinctive qualities in bhava-5; this self-selection is the result of their already having become famous!
A strong bhava-5 gives the power not simply to own information as a form of property (bhava-4) but it gives the native the capacity to create new understandings, new meanings, and new expressions of the culture as it moves forward into higher levels of civilization.
Clearly bhava-5 generates children, who create precisely this forward movement into new ways of living. bhava-5 grants a speculative intelligence, an ability to see knowledge in the abstract and reason with it philosophically, as an abstraction or"idea" rather than as a fixed quantity of information bound into a cultural tradition.
The specific graha in bhava-5 and the vidya-pati-5 will show the nature of the intelligence.
bhava-4 properly rules education: that basic socialization which allows us all to get along. bhava-4 contains the entire portfolio of home, mother, emotional security, and social security. A good basic socialization, usually accomplished by the mother and very predominantly female early-education teachers, teaches children how to treat others properly.
After the fundamental moral education is accomplished in bandhu bhava, the native is equipped to set out upon the world stage.
Tula indriya-lagnais known to create famous statesmen, because Shani the graha of discipline and practice, rules both bhava-4 and bhava-5. When [Yogakaraka] Shani is dignified for Tula-lagna, sustained creative ability in large-scale governance arises from the blessed combination of strong family foundations giving emotional security, plus strong personal intelligence giving genius.
bhava-5 creative fathering vs. bhava-10 punitive fathering
" ... Autor father, from O.Fr. auctor, from L. auctor ..."enlarger, founder,"
lit."One who causes to grow ," ... from augere to increase (see augment)."
Celebrity through authority, as well as through notoriety, especially as gained through publication or through politics, is seen in putra bhava representing speculative creativity and fame.
bhava-5 version of 'authority' is not to be confused with the 'authority-figure' leadership roles of bhava-10.
In bhava-5, svabhava of brilliant Ravi, the native enjoys 'authorship', through publications of authoritative scholarship (which is then celebrated as an expression of divine intelligence) or by writing or performing works of high civilization, such as marvelous dances, theatrical plays, or musical compositions. This type of authority derives from the sacred sense of father as in Holy Father, the source of divine intelligence.
In bhava-10 = svabhava of dark and punitive Shani, authority is more of the social-control variety. karma-bhava represents the authority to impose laws, to maintain order, to enforce conformity, to make executive decisions which affect large groups of people who are organized into hierarchical ranks.
Naturally, Shani promotes a very different type of"authority" , deriving from the human sense of / father / as the maintainer of order in the home.
Residing at a mutually hostile 6-8 angle, Surya's authorship in the creative sense of"causes [divine intelligence] to grow" in bhava-5, is at permanent loggerheads with Shani's authority in the anti-creative, law-and-order sense of father, 'autor' in bhava-10.
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