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  7. Shani in classroom-7 * digbala
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  1. Shani in Meza * nichha
  2. Shani-Vrizabha
  3. Shani-Mithunaya
  4. Shani-Karkata
  5. Shani-Simha
  6. Shani-Kanya
  7. Shani-Thula * uttama
  8. Shani-Vrizchika
  9. Shani-Dhanuzya
  10. Shani-Makara-Draco
  11. Shani-Kumbha * mulatrikona 0-20
  12. Shani-Meena

Om Sham Shanaishcharaye Namah

Professor Shani

Sauri * Sauron * Shanicarya * Saniswaraya

resides in

Sahaja-bhava * Bhratru-daya

Bhava-3

Saturan * Kevan

Sauran * Sauri * Shamash * Kronos * Kaivan * Khima * Anu * Ani * Ninurta * El * Eli

"The Old Sun"

occupies

the third house

fratres

melancholy

must message

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resistance to messages (angels) - fear of collaboration - anxiety about publicity + obligation to respectfully discuss

mental weight, grave thoughts

resistance to siblings and small-group process + obligation to message and announce

profound sense of responsibility for matters of writing and publication yet frustration with communicative duties and often insufficient resources in the commercial office

  • rigidly structured lawful communications

  • karmic limits restrict communicative expression
  • karmic resistance against scripts, plans, schedules, meetings
  • effortful experience of daily conversation , tired from business travel
  • intimidated by difficult commercial decisions
  • heavy obligation to publish, announce, report
  • mental pressure, depression; rigid hands
  • fear of excommunication and dismissal from the neighborhood, cohort or thought-group

Professor Shani's classroom in bhava-3 features the experience of matching the fear of the siblings , fear of the thought-group, fear of the ensemble, fear of thinking, fear of hands-arms, fear of lungs, fear of gesturing, fear of breathing. Fear creates scarcity and lack.

Shani's instruction in upachaya sthana are particularly objective and clear; "stop matching that which is not lawful to you" (stop matching the fears of others) and proceed with caution.

Matters of upachaya bhava-3 improve with time and maturity

self-made financial wealth , self-generated family

Children = Denied or delayed

Impact of Parashari drishti

Conforming to the lowest common denominator

Managing Shani's thought projections - a legacy of Negative expectations

#8213; Geoffrey Chaucer, Canterbury Tales "The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne."
Shani narrative in bhava- 3

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 Agents of vikramasthana enact a fearful, life-threatening (Shani) script of punishment and restriction.

Agents of bhava-3 = the siblings, cousins, cohort, coworkers, collaborators, transaction-groups, team-mates, ensemble, equipe, signalers, writers, publishers, reporters, announcers, hand-crafters, instructors, explainers, describers, scribes, media-messengers, senders of epistles and missives, evangelists, administrators, businesspeople. The bhava-3 agents say:

You follow the rules, or else we (the sibling-cousins, cohort, instructors) will eject you from the communication group, and freeze your access to our information transactions.

Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 narrative of the threat of excommunication and dismissal is further embroidered with contributing voices from Shani's rashi, incoming drishti to bhava-3, Shani's angle from Chandra, Shani's placement in navamsha, planetary tenants in those bhava ruled by Shani, etc.

SEVA recommended service to others

For one who feels mentally fearful about negative potentials, or finds oneself in a chronic state of anxious worry about every detail of life, the best Seva may be offered to those with chronic depression that is so severe that they cannot (or believe they cannot) enjoy life. They may need significant help to have some laughter or amusement (5) visit inspiring holy places (9) or access hospital care (12).

The target folk are often beset with a crippling worry about annihilation, oppression, and scarcity (Shani) and they may seem to be blinded to positive evidence which contradicts their naysaying. Their mental mechanism may seem to be frozen by horrible worries. The anxiety may have a physical dimension which limits the function of the lungs, hands, arms, or shoulders.

Also Seva on behalf of those who have, congenitally or via injury, lost their fingers, hands, or arms, or who have chronic lung disease (Shani-3) can be very beneficial.

Also, on a more positive note, service to the deaf community such as teaching sign language to interpreters or training deaf students to communicate with their local sign language, or providing translation services for deaf audiences at public events, could be a wonderful Seva. Shani-3 can indicate deaf or hard-of-hearing.

Potentially helpful physical therapeutics

Seek therapy for depression and a tendency to look for negative implications. That type of depressed mentality is indicated by Shani-3. Ayurvedic medical professionals can suggest therapeutic diet, healing oils, massage, sleep, and exercise patterns which can alleviate some of the tendency to preferentially expect negative outcomes.

Public Figures

Shani-Meza * nichha * obligation to message about war, blood

Shani-Vrizabha * obligation to message about conserved values, collections

Shani-Mithunaya * obligation to message about mentality

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Shani-Karkata * obligation to administer and message about folkways, ancient customs, and established cultural norms, security, patriotic roots

Shani-Simha * obligation to message about drama, politics, creativity

Shani-Kanya * obligation to message about service, debt, medicine, accusation

Shani-Thula * uttama * obligation to message about equity, balance, contracts

Shani in Vrizchika * obligation to message about transformation

Shani-Dhanuzya * obligation to message about humanism

Shani-Makara-Draco * obligation to message about governance

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Shani-Kumbha * moolatrikona 0-20 deg. * obligation to message about economic class-systems and social networks

Shani-Meena * obligation to message about spiritual guidance, dreams

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Shani in bhava- 3

naturally, any graha yuti Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 will alter the outcome

Writes about, discusses, reports on, makes announcements regarding, attends meetings and trainings on the topic of

institutional business, the transactions of the institutions.

Typically in communicative karma of government, very large corporation, industrial complex.

Karma of writing, announcements, reports, explanations, instruction

  • Rigid, sober, highly structured, change-resistant mentality

  • Highly regulated thought patterns

  • May suffer from negative relationship to the journalistic press

Karma of twins, teams, transactions, and talk

Repetitious Effort required due to Lack of communicative credibility (anti-Surya) Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 represents resistance to change which necessitates the effort that is required to achieve a consistent and credible role in communications technology.

Parashari drishti to domains: 5, 9, and 12.

  • See: dealing with the negative expectations of Shani in bhava-3

  • All forecasts improve with planetary support from Budha.

    dedicated, disciplined placement for literary editors, inspectors and regulators in the publishing industry, publicity managers, and those concerned with structuring the media-message-image

If Shani-yuti-Surya, Shani's implications include the father

  • The father of the famous philosopher and lens grinder Ethica ordine geometrico 1632-1677 Baruch Spinoza operated the family's ocean-freight shipping business (Budha). Spinoza's father was killed on shipboard by crossfire during a maritime battle. Shani-yuti-Budha difficult business for dad, and Shani-yuti-Surya trading Surya rules-7.

A sibling may create weight in the life of Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 .

Might be an anchoring social-legitimacy weight, adding respectability when formal situations require some type of escort .

Shani imposes regulated vertical (Makara) and horizontal (Kumbha) systems. Shani in bhava-3 = information reporting systems (media publishing).

Mental Anxiety. Works overtime to gain the respect of the neighbors, the team, or the departmental working group.

With professional seniority and a disciplined narrative, Shani-3 can mature into a capable, if austere, technical report writer.

Often a structured planner.

Fear and worry regarding the sibling-team and communication output.

  • Must work to earn validation of the mentality. Works to be fully approved, in compliance, and judged perfect under the rule of statutory law .

  • Yet survival fears based in past-life karma enforce the mandate to perform this work over and over again, until the ignorance is transformed into wisdom.

"Have not reported lawfully enough" syndrome.

  • My Inventions 1856-1943 Nikola Tesla suffered lifelong depression * Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 * much compounded by the wandering, listless Chandra+Ketu-6. In elder years he was hounded by Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and anorexia

Writing

Shani feels comfortable in a natural bhava of Budha the tool-user. Shani-uttama is particularly powerful for writers.

If other graha especially Budha are supportive of writing excellence, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 = benefits of disciplined interior narrative, clearly formulated conversations, and structured writing plans.

Responsibility to Order Communicative Environments = Media Management

Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 's lifetime communication skills may be reduced or retarded.

Resistance to change in matters of

  • instructional delivery

  • media design, information formatting

  • scheduling, planning, itineraries

  • making announcements, reports, sharing the news

  • constructing conversations, managing dialog.

Minimalist style in verbal and written transactions. Provides the least possible information in reports and announcements.

The paucity of information provided and extreme brevity of meetings is not necessarily an aid to understanding. In fact the curt, abbreviated style associated with Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 can be a problem in business as Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 cannot easily chat.

Anxiety (throat constriction) about releasing too much information may produce social criticism for Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3. One may be perceived as withholding, controlling, or uncooperative.

On the other hand, when Shani enjoys a favorable rashi and supportive drishti, the messaging outcome can be elegantly streamlined.

The work team that must integrate a Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 member may find themselves frustrated. Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 cannot easily adapt one's style of communication or increase the speed of publication. Quicker minds may find Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 to be slow-going and rule-bound. Their depressed and delayed mentality seems unhealthy but indeed it has longevity; that persistent Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 team member will outlast the less patient and in the end the work will get done correctly unless the depression becomes too severe.

To avoid depression, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 must be engaged in mental, transactional, communications work! One must contribute to society in the areas of information management, sales, planning, and teamwork.

However, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 is normally too dour and fearful of change to become a successful manager of people. Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 is often happier working alone.

Handling information? yes. Handling people? no. (Exceptions: helpful drishti from Budha or the L-3; bhratrupathi-3 in lagna; other beneficial angles.)

comfortable results : the hands, arms, and shoulders will change very little over time. One may have a surprisingly youthful appearance in these body parts as a result. These parts look old or world-weary (Shani) in the first part of life, but because Shani resists change, they may look surprisingly"timeless " in elder years.

Less helpful: lung karma, due to suppressed grief.

Shani in bhava-3 = an administrative functionary who works the socially approved system of collaborative mentality and daily business procedures.

Siblings, daily conversations, and administrative process are fundamentally stubborn, persistent, conservative and slow.

Shani=3 must apply sustained effort with limited resources toward the maintenance of day-to-day mundane communications, meetings and plans, writing and thinking, and the technology which supports group interactions.

Some difficulties or maturation required before obtaining fortune and 'wins' (5 and 9). Worry due to blocked access to meditation/prayer (12). Shani's extreme sobriety can produce mental-emotional depression in bhava-3 of mental process.

  • Upachaya bhava + Shani is friend of natural regulator Budha = Maturity and self-discipline

  • over time, will correct these early frustrations and give long-term success.

  • comfortable and pleasing results after the second Shani return at approximately age 60..

Fully comfortable results from Professor Shani must wait for the fullness of time, but graha drishti of malefic to dushthamsha bhava-8 is generally beneficial.

Distrust of siblings-cousins, children, the father, and one's own dreams. Depressive mentality. Negative expectations. Worst-case thinking, suspicious of the motives of neighbors, teammates, and co-workers. Uncomfortable and unpopular in small groups such as corporate departments and sports teams.

Better if Shani occupies a rashi of Shani, Zukra, or Budha. Better with any type of support from Zukra

Typical mistakes due to past-life karmic ignorance

Mistakes may tend to follow an iterative pattern, and a long-term burden carried, in the areas of

  • teamwork, siblings, group communications, media production skills, writing, scripts, publications, advertising, public relations, communication devices of all kinds, self-made financial wealth , conversations, articulation of narratives.

Shani in bhava-3 tends toward moderate progress in the task of learning from one's mistakes in matters of small-group interaction. Pace of self-correction depends on whether Shani occupies a hospitable rashi.

Once the early mistakes are corrected, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 institutes a rigorous routine of attention to the rules of business.

After mastery (Shani) is acquired via practical experience in "the school of hard knocks ", there may be surprising success in activities which demand intensive group collaboration (3) and close attention to matters of messaging, media-packaging, and public relations.

Less fluent, more stodgy and resistant, regarding sibling interactions, writing and conversation as a Youth. A younger sibling may cause heavy workload and become particularly burdensome.

After the age of 31 (past the first Saturn Return) Shani-2 will see better results from matters of the bhava ruled by Shani.

These men enjoy strong positions of Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3:

  • Moneyball 1963- drama-commerce Brad Pitt = was not raised by entertainers. He had to learn the business by trial-and-error. A graduate of the communications media"school of hard knocks ", he had to learn the standard protocol and procedures (Shani) in the industry, including basics such as managing"publicity" (3) and selecting appropriate theatrical scripts (3). Albeit, Zukra + Shani-Makara-Draco is a relatively auspicious combination which signifies his handsome bone structure (Zukra-Makara) and basic business sense (Shani-Makara-3) both of which come from his birth family. Bhava-3 = 2nd from 2nd.

Shani in bhava-3 - deficiency of communications

upachaya bhava improves with Time

core areas of initial lack of understanding + required repetition =

  • 3 = siblings

  • 5 = children, creativity

  • 9 = father, wisdom

  • 12 = extramarital relationships

A regulator of systems of reporting

Karmic pressure

One is judged according to one's collaborative, conversational mentality and publication skills.

May be rejected by the sibling or work-team.

A slow, pessimistic , and ponderous thinker. Hobbled by caution and mental negativity. Often invalidated by the work-group for slow response time . Karma of dealing with people who are mentally ill, short-tempered, or depressed. Always short of mercurial speed.

Shani friend of Budha = in 3 = good for clear written instructions because Shani resists verbosity .

Shani restricts both 5th and the 5th-from-5th = children either denied or a heavy responsibility

Four areas of special difficulty caused by karmic necessity to correct a deficiency of communication.

Core Practice Environments which require repetitive drill and study:

  • siblings or cousins especially the younger one (3)

  • children, romantic lovers, and intelligent literary or dramatic creativity (5)

  • father, professors, priests (9)

  • private imagination, the studio, the bedroom (12)

Depression and pessimism . Very demanding communicative work. Stage fright.

Mental discipline. Isolated and alienated from the dominant cultural conversation. Negative turn of mind ;"built for distance, not for speed". Very slow and painstaking progress in all projects.

Courage, a hallmark of bhava-3, is repressed by fearful Shani. Even if other Graha show communicative fluency, this native's internal narrative will exhibit social reticence and recurring self-doubt.

published narrative = Nietzsche

Capability to express or package the information one has access to and controls, is much constrained. Mentally cautious and reserved.

Publication, public expression handicapped by personal trepidation, government law, or conservative social policies.

Favors highly structured and dogmatic thought. Shani/3 is not a block against public speaking, but rather shows The muster needed to perform public communications duty.

If Budha is strong, Professor Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 may triumph in promoting His own views, after a very long struggle. But he will have to cultivate friendships with conservative thinkers to do so.

Repetitive thought patterns center on disciplinary matters: home, family, mother, the homeland .

  • Strong Shani in bhava-3 = manu-facture of objects of strict discipline through the craft of the hands

Shani-3 Mental Effects

"No rest for the weary".

The perception of tiredness, harsh conditions, and mental limitations may be particularly acute when Shani-3 occupies a rashi of one's of Shani's planetary enemies = Surya, Chandra, or Mangala

One may be obliged to manage (3) an anxious mentality. The inner conversation receives less nourishing flow of new and different ideas, due to strict-Shani's punitive blockage on

  • amusements and delights, games (5)
  • philosophical, theoretical temple discourses (9)
  • private prayer, meditation, dreams, spirit guidance (12).

Rigid thinking about time and lack of permission to relax. No easy release for worries. Materialistic mentality, creates depression.

Shani in 3 reduces mental health and positive ambition. Causes depression/anxiety set in a worst-case-scenario set of expectations stemming from difficulties with siblings in childhood. Feels pressure to conform in communicative style.

Beneficial for traditional crafts and formal thought which improves with practice, e.g., writing in formal styles, mastering social registers of speech and behavior, playing musical instruments, handling utensils.

The immediate younger sibling is likely to be quite productive of polarizing catalysis. Teamwork is demanding, with Shani-2 shouldering excess workload. Children are constrained by time or lack of resources, due to Shani's drishti upon bhava-5 and bhava-9.

Resistance and delay or blockage to hands or hearing. Native feels lifelong pressure to conform to traditional or lowest-common-denominator social practices.

  • Shani in bhava-3 gives rigid thinking . Shani insinuates qualities of ignorance, resistance and resentment into the character of the sibling relationships, the work-group process, and the cycle of repeating daily thoughts. Shani in bhava-3 provides a general karma of not being heard, included, or recognized by the group.

  • Shani limits the communicative range and constrains one's effort to write and gesture. Growing up, one's sibling environment is somewhat harsh and defined by scarce resources - often the result of brutal competition for the parents' attention. If there are no siblings (common also with Shani/3), Shani-2 is raised in isolation and interactive communication with peers is strictly limited.

  • In adulthood, Shani-2 expects isolation and oppression in the work-group. Often works alone. No matter how hard one"tries " to be recognized and fully included in the communicative circle, one's contribution seems less important than others'. Sincerely friendly team relationships are difficult to maintain. Shani-2 works diligently at communications, and may become highly expert, but one's persistent background negativity emphasizes craft over inspiration. The writings are overly formal and perceptions are dull.

  • Shani delays access to important meetings, short journeys, brief vacations and"business trips " , and team conferences where shared-value conversations, scheduling, and strategic planning is being developed. One is often"out of the loop" in communications; passed over for promotions; and considered unproductive, dull, or"dead wood" in communications-intensive environments. Not a"team player"

  • Further, Shani creates psychic resistance to starting one's own family . This pessimism about recreating a family may well be overcome by other positive influences, but the residual effect of negative expectations regarding the group communications that are the essence of family life, will persist.

  • Resistance also to building"self-made treasury" through starting one's own business.

(The above situation can be alleviated somewhat for lagnas friendly to Shani, such as Thula lagna a nd Vrishabha lagna, Kanya lagna and possibly Mithuna lagna too.)

Matters of upachaya bhava-3 improve with time and maturity

  • Mitigants:Shanaicarya is happier when He resides in the natural bhava of Shani's friends, Budha and Zukra. Therefore Shani's negative expectations are slightly easier to handle in domains 2, 3, 6, and 7.

  • In addition, bhava-3 is an upachaya dushthamsha: matters of bhava-3 typically improve, a good deal, with maturity and time. Early results are delayed, but later results are favored.

  • asks such as disciplined writing and hand-craft of all kinds will improve with practice. In a favorable rashi, Shani-drive repetition and practice will produce excellent results in bhava-3. (Exempli gratia, manual practice of musical instrument, writing or painting utensil, body massage, etc.)

bhava-3 ruled by Budha = a relatively neutral location for Shani. Everyone expects the work-group to produce"work". Shani is ready for that reality, with His characteristic hard-working and practical attitude toward life.

  • However many people also expect the work-group to replicate the shared-culture, socially validating, friendly-competition pleasures of their childhood sibling group.

  • Most societies support sibling-style, lifetime bonding in the Adult work-group , as "2nd-from-2nd" becomes a natural extension of family-based value traditions and virtual kin.

  • When Shani occupies bhava-3, there is little room for fond sentiment. Shani-2 has a very pragmatic and often humorless approach toward getting the job done. It is not easy to share one's thoughts with others.
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As a result one is seen as lacking enthusiasm for team-work. Native with Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 is typically passed over for promotions, works twice as hard as everyone else yet receives less recognition, and finds oneself feeling cramped by rules for "correct" communication which non-Shani people seem to willfully ignore. Resentment and frustration in the team environment.

Excellent for bureaucrats, computer programming, very small families (usually without children, or only one highly structured child), technical writing, government or industrial inspectors, documentation of rules and regulations, military communications, computational (not philosophical) mathematics, other highly formalized, and rule-driven, mentalized work-group environments.

  • Shani-2 has a steady work history.

  • Flourishes in government bureaucracy with guaranteed step-wise promotions based on longevity not creativity.

Shani's job is to inculcate personal responsibility (without guilt) and neutral acceptance of the karmic process.

  • Domains occupied or aspected by Shani become the primary agents of of Taskmaster Shani's mission: to convert ignorant error into calm wisdom .

  • Shani will do"whatever it takes " to command Shani-2 's attention . Shani will recall Shani-2 over and over to a central difficulty, a repeating failure, or an insurmountable obstacle.

  • Matters of the bhava owned or aspected by Shani will mechanically - from the unconscious mind - produce, unfair, disappointing, and deprived results.

Shani's impact on life experience is painful and frustrating but, in the end, extremely beneficial. The pain can be reduced dramatically through neutral awareness and acceptance of the role one plays in creating one's own destiny.

  • The conscious human has less control over the flow of events, and more control over how one reacts to those events.

  • Once Shani-2 has established a pattern of calm and non-judgmental reaction to the flow of events, Shani's job is done - and the pain stops! (The events continue but they just roll past...)

  • The faster one can achieve neutral awareness of one's own negative expectations, the faster one can eliminate the pain.

Unfortunately for the slow learner, Shani will give all the"time" necessary to repeat the lesson . For those of us who live a bit behind the curve of total wisdom, it is valuable to be aware of the most acute effects of Shani.

With forewarning , one can address these"scheduled" negativities, as they arise, with consciousness. One can meet each well-timed disappointment with a deeper commitment to forgiveness , acknowledgement and release.

Impact of Parashari dristhi

Shani's negative, pessimistic, fearful, scarcity-oriented, survival-driven, and faith-lacking impact from bhava-3 gives Parashari drishti upon bhava 5, 9, and 12. This drishti pattern gives negative expectations which produce restriction, interruption, And delay in matters of:

  • bhava-3 = ability to use the verbally competitive, immature, open-minded, conversational skills which are first developed in The sibling/cousin/playmate group

  • bhava-5 = ability to have children and romance , express intelligence, be recognized for genius, to win contests, claim authorship or special expertise, feel"lucky".

  • bhava-9 = ability to have grandchildren and students , carry out priestly duties, conduct ceremonies, receive wisdom teachings, travel to religious destinations, have gainful and beneficial friends

  • bhava-12 = ability to use the power of the imagination to access deep knowledge, to cross easily over the boundaries between attachment and detachment to fleshly life, psychic perception, instructional dreams, and access to sanctuary space

To increase the chances of happiness in this life, one born with Professor Shani's classroom located in bhava-3 must remain particularly *vigilant* against the onslaught of Shani's legacy of negative expectations upon these realms of perception.

Strong, favorable graha in these domains will significantly override the prognosis for frustration and interruption in domains 3, 5, 9 and 12. Yet the presence of Professor Shani's drishti will be subtly noticeable. E.g., total blockage may turn to delay, or material handicap may manifest as psychological resistance - but Shani's karmic drishti will never be completely erased.

Conforming to the lowest common denominator

  • Oppression in the Sibling group

bhava-3 = "siblings " which includes cousins, neighbor playmates, early schoolmates, etc. The keynote of bhava-3 is "competition".

  • Shani forces Orderly interactions within the sibling/cousin group. Transactions must conform to the lowest common denominator = the least capable person in the group sets the standard. Variation from the set"law and order" norm is discouraged.

  • In childhood, the sibling group imposes survival pressure to conform to parental expectations. Their conservative, self-protective values emphasize scarcity Of parental attention, formal rules for communicative interaction , and pressure to cooperate with other siblings in a specified, orderly, formal fashion.

  • Parents may impose a tightly rule-drive, controlled communication style on their children, and withhold their affection unless the children conform to standards that emphasize order, quiet and self-restraint.

self-made financial wealth ,

Shani limits access to self-made financial wealth in preference to conformity with the wage-earning classes. If Shani-2 has his own business or independent means of financial wealth (not means given by the family) then one's income by this method is meager, and one lives "close to the bone", although this situation can improve with time.

Denied or delayed permission to establish one's own family, usually due to a perceived"need to wait" for material accumulations. (Upachaya - improves with time.)

  • From bhava-3, Shani casts drishti to both bhava of Children: bhava-5 and bhava-9. Expect production of children to be slow and somewhat impeded , except during Guru bhukti s.

Native experiences discipline of strict formalization upon the mentality . Writing, conversation, and small-group interaction, particularly conversation, are shaped and molded into conventional containers. Repeating the childhood training, adventure from the rigid, sanctioned form may be punished.

bhava-3 being 7th-from-9th, relationships with professors, priests, gurus, moral and ceremonial authorities, are highly formalized. For this reason Shani-2, while often highly skilled in formal academic and literary expressions, may not be invited into the academy.

Limited opportunity for individualization in relationship to religion;

conforms to the status quo.

When Shani occupies bhava-3, Shani-2 must be alert to the relationship between the domains aspected by Shani and the domains which give their"results " in domains 3, 5, 9, and 12.

Fruits of bhava-5 = bhava-3:

Children and recognition for creative genius (5) are delayed. (Brihaspati drishti to bhava-5 shortens the delay.) bhava-5 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-3. The fruits of creativity and pro-creativity Are delayed by rigid, materialistic mentality = negative expectations =depression.

Fruits of bhava-7 = bhava-5:

contracts and agreements (7). bhava-7 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-5. A central goal of marriage is typically to have children. bhava-5 contains many oppressive experiences for Shani-2 due to the existing Shani drishti. Jaya bhava = program to marry, to form fruitful and balanced partnerships, will show the effect of reduced expectations. Shani-2 often marries a partner who also has minimal expectations for success of speculative ventures.

bhava-5 is blocked by Shani drishti. Therefore t Shani-2expects the fruits of bhava-7 to be barren ,"not possible" or"going nowhere". Shani's impact on Surya's natural bhava = swabhava is particularly harsh.

Fruits of bhava-11 = bhava-9:

networks of friendship and marketplace profits (11). bhava-11 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-9. bhava-9 is blocked by Shani drishti. Therefore Shani-2 expects the fruits of bhava-11 to be barren,"not possible" or"going nowhere".

Desires to play a priestly role (such as professor or religious figure), to have grandchildren and students, to receive higher knowledge will receive a cool reception in the early years.

Shani's drishti directly on to bhava-9 restricts access to the temples of knowledge (universities, academies, spiritual centers) which offer higher philosophical education -- beyond the basic socialization levels of education provided in bhava-4.

Access to university graduate studies for example may be delayed until middle age. Shani delays access to religious wisdom-teachings due to Shani-2 's rigid and materialistic mentality. This limitation wizens with age however!

Shani in bhava-3 contains the seed of belief that the"fruits " of privilege of the sangha or cognoscenti not viable; therefore in one's total thinking about networks of association, these negative expectations will limit one's faith in setting higher goals.

As usual a strong graha occupying bhava-9 can mitigate Shani's drishti, perhaps reducing the strength of the limitations from blockage to resistance, or changing severe handicap to mere inconvenience.

In any case, Shani's 7th drishti onto bhava-9 is not so strong as Shani's 3rd drishti onto bhava-5.

bhava-3 is an upachaya dushthamsha therefore matters of bhava-3 improve with maturity and self-knowledge.
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~~ Epistle to the Philippians 4:8