Shani in 3rd-from-Chandra
OM sham shanaishcharaye namah
Sauri - Sauron
Shanicarya - Sanisvaraya
Saturan - Sauran
Kevan - Kaiwan
El - Eli
the seventh one - Satu [Saturday]
// The Old Sun // the best Sun //
the seventh one * s atu
the third house
must formally message
mandatory scripted communications
socially-approved dutiful roles as sibling, manager, writer, editor, reporter, interpreter, or planner
I long to accomplish a great and noble task, but it is my chief duty to accomplish small tasks as if they were great and noble." - Helen Keller
"The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne."
~~ Geoffrey Chaucer, Canterbury Tales
Public Figure Examples
obligation to message about war, blood, aggression
obligation to message about conserved values, collections - must do heritage values-based business
obligation to message about mentality
dignified public reputation for structural writings, committee work, systematic explanations, reports * executive workaholism - income from structural, scientific writing, commerce, announcements, proletarian writing
obligation to message about folkways, ancient customs, and established cultural norms, security, patriotic roots
must do nourishment-protection-routine business
[obligation to manage celebrity commerce] [responsible political administrative workload] [must regulate detailed entertainment process]
[must display rigidly ceremonial gestures] [maintains the formal celebratory announcements] [dranatic class-conscious intelligence for business duties]
[mental depression in poetic romance]
obligation to message about service, debt, medicine, unfairness
[obligation to report on trades] [regulates announcements about alliances]
obligation to message about transformation
lawful response to human problems, expressed via messaging and explanations. Often a difficult childhood.
obligation to message about humanism
[drafty old stone parlors] [rigidly class-conscious siblings] [hierarchical business systems] [separative conventional process handling] [legally fixed scheduling itineraries] [required messaging about governance order] [strictly ordered mental regulation]
[mūlatrikoṇa if within 0-20 deg]
obligation to message about economic community
[obligation to message about financial information] [intuitive gestures preserve formalized discourse] [commercial transactions require pragmatic intuition] [identified with social class and banking]
self-developed capital knowledge treasure
"The mind exists in a state of not enough and so is always greedy for more.
When you are identified with the mind you get bored and restless very easily."
~~A New Earth 1948- philosopher Eckhart Tolle
Shani in bhava- 3
naturally, any graha yuti Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 will alter the outcome
Writes about, discusses, reports on, makes announcements regarding, attends meetings and trainings on the topic of
may be mentally rigid,
officious, humorless, sober-minded
mentally overburdened, pessimistic
with contributing stress from other graha, especially with mutual drishti of Kuja, Shani-3 may exhibit extra-strict mental regulation with intrusive thoughts such as OCD
institutional business, the transactions of the institutions.
Typically in communicative [akashic memory patterning] of government, very large corporation, industrial complex.
Obligatory writing, announcements, reports, explanations, instruction
Required effort related to twins, teams, transactions, and talk
Example: Shani-Kanya-3 with Ketu. apparently unchangeable, repeating narrative of severe poverty, resentment, and structural resistance to improvement
Repetitious Effort required due to Lack of communicative credibility (anti-Surya)
Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 represents resistance to change which necessitates the effort that is required to achieve a consistent and credible role in communications technology.
Repetitive Tasks, Grueling Itinerary
Parashari drishti to domains: 5, 9, and 12.
If Shani-yuti-Surya, Shani's implications include the father
A sibling may create weight in the life of Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 .
Might be an anchoring social-legitimacy weight, adding respectability when formal situations require some type of escort .
Shani imposes regulated vertical [Makara] and horizontal [Kumbha] systems. Shani in bhava-3 = information reporting systems (media publishing).
Mental Anxiety. Works overtime to gain the respect of the neighbors, the team, or the departmental working group.
With professional seniority and a disciplined narrative, Shani-3 can mature into a capable, if austere, technical report writer.
Often a structured planner.
Fear and worry regarding the sibling-team and communication output.
" Have not reported lawfully enough" syndrome.
Shani feels comfortable in a svabhava of Budha the tool-user. Shani [uchcha] is particularly powerful for writers.
If other graha especially Budha are supportive of writing excellence, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 = benefits of disciplined interior narrative, clearly formulated conversations, and structured writing plans.
Printing Press from c. 1568CE
LEARNING PATHWAY of Shani-3 may involve necessary dealings with
resistance to messages (angels) - fear of collaboration - anxiety about publicity + obligation to respectfully discuss
mental weight, grave thoughts
resistance to siblings and small-group process + obligation to message and announce
profound sense of responsibility for matters of writing and publication yet frustration with communicative duties and often insufficient resources in the commercial office
Professor Shani's classroom in bhava-3 features the experience of matching the fear of the siblings , fear of the thought-group, fear of the ensemble, fear of thinking, fear of hands-arms, fear of lungs, fear of gesturing, fear of breathing. Fear creates scarcity and lack.
Shani's instruction in upachaya sthana are particularly objective and clear; "stop matching that which is not lawful to you" (stop matching the fears of others) and proceed with caution.
Children = Denied or delayed
Responsibility to Order Communicative Environments = Media Management
Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 's lifetime communication skills may be reduced or retarded.
Resistance to change in matters of
Minimalist style in verbal and written transactions. Provides the least possible information in reports and announcements.
The paucity of information provided and extreme brevity of meetings is not necessarily an aid to understanding. In fact the curt, abbreviated style associated with Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 can be a problem in business as Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 cannot easily chat.
Anxiety (throat constriction) about releasing too much information may produce social criticism for Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3. One may be perceived as withholding, controlling, or uncooperative.
On the other hand, when Shani enjoys a favorable rashi and supportive drishti, the messaging outcome can be elegantly streamlined.
The work team that must integrate a Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 member may find themselves frustrated. Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 cannot easily adapt one's style of communication or increase the speed of publication. Quicker minds may find Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 to be slow-going and rule-bound. Their depressed and delayed mentality seems unhealthy but indeed it has longevity; that persistent Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 team member will outlast the less patient and in the end the work will get done correctly unless the depression becomes too severe.
To avoid depression, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 must be engaged in mental, transactional, communications work! One must contribute to society in the areas of information management, sales, planning, and teamwork.
However, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 is normally too dour and fearful of change to become a successful manager of people. Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 is often happier working alone.
Handling information? yes. Handling people? no. (Exceptions: helpful drishti from Budha or the vikrama-pati-3; bhratru-pati-3 in lagna; other beneficial angles.)
comfortable results : the hands, arms, and shoulders tend to change very little over time. One may have a surprisingly youthful appearance in these body parts as a result. These parts look old or world-weary [Shani] in the first part of life, but because Shani resists change, they may look surprisingly"timeless " in elder years.
Less helpful: lung [akashic memory patterning] , due to suppressed grief.
Shani in bhava-3 = an administrative functionary who works the socially approved system of collaborative mentality and daily business procedures.
Siblings, daily conversations, and administrative process are fundamentally stubborn, persistent, conservative and slow.
Shani=3 must apply sustained effort with limited resources toward the maintenance of day-to-day mundane communications, meetings and plans, writing and thinking, and the technology which supports group interactions.
Some difficulties or maturation required before obtaining fortune and 'wins' (5 and 9). Worry due to blocked access to meditation/prayer (12). Shani's extreme sobriety can produce mental-emotional depression in bhava-3 of mental process.
Fully comfortable results from Professor Shani must wait for the fullness of time, but graha drishti of malefic to dushthamsha bhava-8 is generally beneficial.
Distrust of siblings-cousins, children, the father, and one's own dreams. Depressive mentality. Negative expectations. Worst-case thinking, suspicious of the motives of neighbors, teammates, and co-workers. Uncomfortable and unpopular in small groups such as corporate departments and sports teams.
Better if Shani occupies a rashi of Shani, Shukra, or Budha. Better with any type of support from Shukra
Typical mistakes due to past-life pre-incarnationally planned ignorance
Mistakes may tend to follow an iterative pattern, and a long-term burden carried, in the areas of
Shani in bhava-3 tends toward moderate progress in the task of learning from one's mistakes in matters of small-group interaction. Pace of self-correction depends on whether Shani occupies a hospitable rashi.
Once the early mistakes are corrected, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 institutes a rigorous routine of attention to the rules of business.
After mastery [Shani] is acquired via practical experience in "the school of hard knocks ", there may be surprising success in activities which demand intensive group collaboration (3) and close attention to matters of messaging, media-packaging, and public relations.
Less fluent, more stodgy and resistant, regarding sibling interactions, writing and conversation as a Youth. A younger sibling may cause heavy workload and become particularly burdensome.
After the age of 31 (past the first Saturn Return) Shani-3 often notices an improvement in mature objectivity toward matters of information handling, interpersonal communication, and media-messaging.
Example of Shani-3 pragmatic approach to publicity, promotional communications
Shani narrative in bhava-3
Agents of vikramasthana enact a fearful, life-threatening [Shani] script of punishment and restriction.
Agents of bhava-3 = the siblings, cousins, cohort, coworkers, collaborators, transaction-groups, team-mates, ensemble, equipe, signalers, writers, publishers, reporters, announcers, hand-crafters, instructors, explainers, describers, scribes, media-messengers, senders of epistles and missives, evangelists, administrators, businesspeople. The bhava-3 agents say:
You follow the rules, or else we (the sibling-cousins, cohort, instructors) will eject you from the communication group, and freeze your access to our information transactions.
Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 = narrative of the threat of excommunication and dismissal Further embroidered with contributing voices from the rashi of Stoic Shani, incoming drishti to bhava-3, Shani's angle relative to Chandra-lagna, Shani's placement in navamsha, and planetary tenants in those bhava ruled by Shani, etc.
SEVA recommended service to others
For one who feels mentally fearful about negative potentials, or finds oneself in a chronic state of anxious worry about every detail of life, the best Seva may be offered to those with chronic depression that is so severe that they cannot (or believe they cannot) enjoy life. They may need significant help to have some laughter or amusement (5) visit inspiring holy places (9) or access hospital care (12).
The target folk are often beset with a crippling worry about annihilation, oppression, and scarcity [Shani] and they may seem to be blinded to positive evidence which contradicts their naysaying. Their mental mechanism may seem to be frozen by horrible worries. The anxiety may have a physical dimension which limits the function of the lungs, hands, arms, or shoulders.
Also Seva on behalf of those who have, congenitally or via injury, lost their fingers, hands, or arms, or who have chronic lung disease (Shani-3) can be very beneficial.
Also, on a more positive note, service to the deaf community such as teaching sign language to interpreters or training deaf students to communicate with their local sign language, or providing translation services for deaf audiences at public events, could be a wonderful Seva. Shani-3 can indicate deaf or hard-of-hearing.
Potentially helpful physical therapeutics
Seek therapy for depression and a tendency to look for negative implications. That type of depressed mentality is indicated by Shani-3. Ayurvedic medical professionals can suggest therapeutic diet, healing oils, massage, sleep, and exercise patterns which can alleviate some of the tendency to preferentially expect negative outcomes.
Endurance in business, in writing, in cohort-interaction
Shani is built for distance, not for speed
drudgery in office work
Shani in bhava-3 - deficiency of communications
upachaya bhava improves with Time
core areas of initial lack of understanding + required repetition =
Pressure (Shani) to articulate, describe, explain (3)
Pressure (Shani) to manage, administer, coordinate
Shani-3 systematically regulates reporting
One is judged according to one's collaborative, conversational mentality and publication skills.
May be rejected by the sibling or work-team.
A slow, pessimistic , and ponderous thinker. Hobbled by caution and mental negativity. Often invalidated by the work-group for slow response time . [akashic memory patterning] of dealing with people who are mentally ill, short-tempered, or depressed. Always short of mercurial speed.
Shani friend of Budha = in 3 = good for clear written instructions because Shani resists verbosity .
Shani restricts both 5th and the 5th-from-5th = children either denied or a heavy responsibility
Four areas of special difficulty caused by pre-incarnationally planned necessity to correct a deficiency of communication.
Core Practice Environments which require repetitive drill and study:
Depression and pessimism
Very demanding communicative work.
Mental discipline. Isolated and alienated from the dominant cultural conversation. Negative turn of mind "" . Very slow and painstaking progress in all projects.
Courage, a hallmark of bhava-3, is repressed by fearful Shani. Even if other Graha show communicative fluency, one's internal narrative will exhibit social reticence and recurring self-doubt.
published narrative = Nietzsche
Capability to express or package the information one has access to and controls, is much constrained. Mentally cautious and reserved.
Publication, public expression handicapped by personal trepidation, government law, or conservative social policies.
Favors highly structured and dogmatic thought. Shani/3 is not a block against public speaking, but rather shows The muster needed to perform public communications duty.
If Budha is strong, Professor Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 may triumph in promoting His own views, after a very long struggle. But he will have to cultivate friendships with conservative thinkers to do so.
Repetitive thought patterns center on disciplinary matters: home, family, mother, the homeland .
Shani-3 Mental Effects
Shani slogs on
No rest for the weary
One works for the corporation, for the bureaucracy, for the communications system, for the social process -- not primarily for oneself.
The perception of tiredness, harsh conditions, and mental limitations may be particularly acute when Shani-3 occupies a rashi of one's of Shani's planetary enemies = Surya, Chandra, or Mangala
One may be obliged to manage (3) an anxious mentality. The inner conversation receives less nourishing flow of new and different ideas, due to strict-Shani's punitive blockage on
Rigid thinking about time and lack of permission to relax. No easy release for worries. Materialistic mentality, creates depression.
Shani in 3 reduces mental health and positive ambition. Causes depression/anxiety set in a worst-case-scenario set of expectations stemming from difficulties with siblings in childhood. Feels pressure to conform in communicative style.
Beneficial for traditional crafts and formal thought which improves with practice, e.g., writing in formal styles, mastering social registers of speech and behavior, playing musical instruments, handling utensils.
The immediate younger sibling is likely to be quite productive of polarizing catalysis . Teamwork is demanding, with Shani-2 shouldering excess workload. Children are constrained by time or lack of resources, due to Shani's drishti upon bhava-5 and bhava-9.
Resistance and delay or blockage to hands or hearing. Native feels lifelong pressure to conform to traditional or lowest-common-denominator social practices.
bhava-3 is the svabhava of Budha
Shani and Budha are friends.
Therefore, vikrama-sthana is a relatively neutral location for Shani.
Shani aims to meet social expectations.
The work-group is expected to work.Shani is ready for that reality, with His characteristic hard-working and practical attitude toward life.
Get Back to Work
6th-from-10 impedence to career promotion
Shani-3 may be seen as lacking enthusiasm for team-work.
Grumpy Shani-3 sits in 6th (conflict) from 10 (promotions) where He may be passed over for promotions. In His own mind, Shani works twice as hard as everyone else yet He may receive less recognition.
Shani is a minimalist. His cramped, legalistic style of communication may be unmotivating to the workgroup. Shani-3 can signal resentment and frustration in the team environment. Shani especially dislikes wasting time on unnecessary activity such as conversation.
Shani-3 may be an excellent placement for bureaucrats, computer programmers, technical writers, government or industrial inspectors, specialists in documentation of rules and regulations, military communications, computational (not philosophical) mathematics, instructors of repetitive practical skill training, and actors in other highly formalized, and rule-driven, mentalized work-group environments.
Shani's job is to inculcate personal responsibility (without guilt) and neutral acceptance of the pre-incarnationally planned process.
Shani's impact on life experience is painful and frustrating but, in the end, extremely beneficial. The pain can be reduced dramatically through neutral awareness and acceptance of the role one plays in creating one's own destiny.
Bhava-3 high-frequency low-content
Unfortunately for the slow learner, Shani-3 tends to prefer repeating lessons in matters of commerce, communication, and cohort.
Shani-3 is associated with difficult managers, intractable office conditions, commercial obstruction, and uncooperative or unproductive co-workers.
Shani's patterns create long-term mental-health learning pathways which in most cases can endure for a lifetime.
After obtaining conscious awareness of the presence of a pattern of repeating disappointment in the small-group environment - whether sibling-cousins, neighbors, or collaborators - often benefits from intentional practice of forgiveness
Shani's negative, pessimistic, fearful, scarcity-oriented, survival-driven, and faith-lacking impact from bhava-3 gives Parashari drishti upon bhava 5, 9, and 12. This drishti pattern gives negative expectations which produce restriction, interruption, And delay in matters of
To increase the chances of happiness in this life, one born with Professor Shani's classroom located in bhava-3 must remain particularly *vigilant* against the onslaught of Shani's legacy of negative expectations upon these realms of perception.
Strong, favorable graha in these domains will significantly override the prognosis for frustration and interruption in domains 3, 5, 9 and 12. Yet, the presence of Professor Shani's drishti will be subtly noticeable. E.g., total blockage may turn to delay, or material handicap may manifest as psychological resistance - but Shani's pre-incarnationally planned drishti will never be completely erased.
bhava-3 = "siblings " which includes cousins, neighbor playmates, early schoolmates, etc. The keynote of bhava-3 is "competition" .
Shani limits access to self-made financial wealth in preference to conformity with the wage-earning classes. If Shani-2 has his own business or independent means of financial wealth (not means given by the family) then one's income by this method is meager, and one lives "close to the bone" , although this situation can improve with time.
Denied or delayed permission to establish one's own family, usually due to a perceived"need to wait" for material accumulations. (Upachaya - improves with time.)
Native experiences discipline of strict formalization upon the mentality . Writing, conversation, and small-group interaction, particularly conversation, are shaped and molded into conventional containers. Repeating the childhood training, adventure from the rigid, sanctioned form may be punished.
bhava-3 being 7th-from-9th, relationships with professors, priests, gurus, moral and ceremonial authorities, are highly formalized. For this reason Shani-2, while often highly skilled in formal academic and literary expressions, may not be invited into the academy.
Limited opportunity for individualization in relationship to religion;
conforms to the status quo.
3 produces gainful vritta fruits of vidyasthana
Fruits of bhava-5 = bhava-3
Children and recognition for creative genius (5) may be delayed. (Brihaspati drishti to bhava-5 shortens the delay.)
bhava-5 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-3. The fruits of creativity and pro-creativity can be delayed by rigid, materialistic mentality = negative expectations =depression.
5 produces gainful vritta fruits of yuvati-bhava-7
Fruits of bhava-7 = bhava-5
contracts and agreements (7).
Jaya bhava = social programming to marry, to form fruitful and balanced partnerships.
bhava-7 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-5.
Conventional expectations for marriage may typically include obtainment of profit (11th) in the form of children (5) or other species of creative output (5).
Putrasthana receives the drishti slowing, maturing, patience-demanding effect of Shanideva Bhagavan. Shani normally does not deny. He delays and detours and derails but ultimately His learning pathway does not deny the fruits. So, patience is required wherever Shanaicarya makes the rules.
Shani-3 casts Parashari Drishti into bhava-9
9 contains the fruits of 11
11 = networks of friendship and marketplace profits
11 projects its wishes and goals into bhava-9.
bhava-9 receives Shani-3 drishti. Shani-3 applies a materialistic, pragmatic, minimalizing, scarcity-oriented attitude to matters of 5 + 9 + 12.
9 is first and foremost the father, who is typically a hardworking (Shani) personality with minimal tolerance for fluff and frill. Dad tends to be conservative in matters of sacred doctrine, and dad may be more concerned with the social approval factor in religious conduct, rather than seeking inspiration or ultimate meanings.
Shani's 7th drishti into dharmabhava-9 may reduce or temper the social agenda to to play a priestly role in the current lifetime, such as professor or religious figure. One may apprehend grandchildren and students as sources of responsibility more than joy. The pursuit of higher knowledge (9) may be framed as unnecessary or socially unsupported
Yet, Time is always Shani's helper. One may pursue the higher teachings, or professional level credentials (9, believability, credentials) later in life with beneficial result.
Shani's drishti into bhava-9 can restrict access to the temples of knowledge such as universities, academies, spiritual centers. In the younger decades, One may believe (9) that higher philosophical education -- beyond the basic socialization levels of education provided in bhava-4 - is not an open pathway .
Access to university graduate studies for example may be delayed until middle age. Shani delays availability of inspirational wisdom-teachings due to Shani-3 's typically practical, hands-on, materialistic mentality. Naturally, Shani wizens with age so depending upon conditions in 9, one may eventually bring a mature common-sense into public guidance roles (9). It is reasonable to expect that all matters of 9 would be slowed and seasoned with age.
Shani-3 may view the sangha or cognoscenti as a class of public guidance figures whose faith is perhaps greater than their proven abilities.
As usual a strong graha occupying bhava-9 can mitigate Shani's scarcity-thinking drishti, perhaps changing a severe handicap to mere inconvenience.
bhava-3 is an upachaya dushthamsha therefore matters of bhava-3 tend to improve with maturity and the gaining of tangible Earthly experience.
file update = 27-Jun-2022
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