Brihaspati occupies 5th-from-Chandra
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Brihaspati * Devapati * Saptarishi
Putra-sthana * Vidya-daya * Mantra-bhava
Ju-piter * Dyus-pitr
Enlil * Marduk * Zeus-Deus
Iuppiter * Jove
the fifth house
nati * intellegentia * ludum
much charisma * many center-stage roles * many games played
growth and expansion of celebrity
multiple creative individual intelligences
many dramatic performances
much political applause * many political elections
People offers prayers at Mazu Temple during the Lunar New Year celebration
Yokohama, Japan, 2011
Guru-Urisha * expansion of historic, valuable, conserved, tonal creativity
Guru-Mithunaya * expansion of communicative, signaling, messaging creativity
Guru-Simha * expansion of political, dramatic, gaming creativity
Guru-Kanya * expansion of argumentative, logical, service-oriented creativity
Guru-Thula *Mithunaya lagna * expansion of negotiating, trading, balancing creativity
Guru in Vrizchika *Karkata lagna * expansion of secretive, mysterious, penetrating creativity
Guru-Dhanuzya * expansion of philosophical, believing, humanistic creativity
Guru-Kumbha * expansion of systematic, networking, interlinked creativity
Guru-Meena * expansion of visionary, dreamlike, imaginative creativity
Tends to channel the creative genius into works of high civilization rather than fleshly reproduction.
Guru in 3rd-from-3rd expands and develops the creative, unique writing activities. Literary creativity much benefitted depending on how hospitable is the rashi.
If Guru = lagnesha, expanded intelligence marks the personality. May be a polymath philosopher and wonderful teacher-scholar-genius, with the power to theatrically enact the philosophical understanding.
If Guru = swakshetra or uttama with His lord well disposed, a karaka for great wealth through intelligence, speculative winnings or royalties on publication of creative works.
Favors success in politics, speculation, amusements, entertainments, authorship, dramatically personal style of statesmanship (if karmesha-10 is also good).
Guru provides multiple celebrity dramatic performances
As 11th-from-7th, gain through spouse and partners. (Classically, gain of children through marriage partner.)
Nichha-Guru in bhava-5 may indicate overconfidence in political settings.
Preaching on politics
Professor Guru unaccompanied in sthana-5 may under some circumstances reduce the number of flesh-children, albeit Guru-5 is an excellent placement for student-teacher relationships and often brings in an expansive student. Generally, the drishti of Guru upon lagna and upon bhava-9 indicates at least one or two offspring.
An important indicator of prospects for children is 5th-from-Chandra. Also check 5th-from-5th and 5th-from-Guru before making predictions.
Children may overdevelop the Guru role, so that the child becomes one's teacher rather explicitly. Although there is nothing wrong with a teacher-child, socially (Shani) this relationship may be awkward until its wisdom-conferring role is fully understood (Guru).
In any case one's relationship with children tends to be broad and inclusive rather than narrow and parochial, thus favoring a lifestyle that can encompass many (Guru) students rather than just a few bio-children.
If Guru-5 and there is drishti from Mangala entering putrasthana-5, it is possible to experience an early loss of the first child. If Guru-nichha, similar weakness in the capacity of putra-putriki-bhava for sustaining an individual child, thus some prognosis for early loss of a first child -- but check ALL other factors before deciding on this point.
Karako bhavo nashto suggests that although these offspring will no doubt be light-bringers, the offspring are attention-magnets with a certain self-righteous or self-entitled quality.
Most commonly Guru-5 with no companion graha-5 indicates political success, charismatic students and artistic creativity for the native, but limited biological children.
Risk-loving Rahu-5 creates a suggestion for step-children, adoptive or acquired children. Alternatively, children may be born outside of one's familiar home culture.
Children are born but as they compete for creative resources, others may need to raise the children. The "lion's share" (5) of the native's creative resources is often directed into a political career or literary career or performing arts career.
Also if there are other graha in bhava-5 along with Brishaspati, the prediction for children changes according to the influence of those additional graha.
If nichha-Guru, suggestion for reproductive disabled or differently-abled children
However Guru-5 blocking-or-reducing progeny is not a strict rule since Guru can receive drishti or have a relationship to Chandra which does produce children, sometimes abundantly. (Always check 5th-from Chandra, 5th-from-Guru, and drishti into bhava-5 to ascertain the final outcome regarding progeny.)
Also if Guru's planetary ruler is strong, offspring are likely.
Children may easily enter the life via other fulfilling channels, including adoption, step-children, and other forms of sponsorship:
Shani in bhava-5 signals responsibilities, obligations, delays, and requirements regarding children.
If other graha stimulate the production of children, the circumstances of child-production = "big" (Guru) suggesting a large inclusive family, and public philosophical guidance or religious beliefs affecting the larger sizing.
Internationalized expansion can include all the world's children, and even when Guru-5 blocks personal reproduction the native may feel a religious vocation toward global (Guru) rights and entitlements (5) for the younger generation.
If Guru is strong, may become wealthy through games, theatrical performance, entertainments, authorship, politics, amusements.
Political Elections = speculation bhava-5
Agents of approval, admiration, applause = priests and wisemen.
Wisdom-teaching and performance of ceremonial duties are the primary means of gaining ego-validation, attention and approval.
partner of the wife-figure dhava- karaka = Guru
Often, the wife-agent meets the husband-agent life partner(s) in a charismatic entertainment setting, such as a theatrical performance, celebrity event, or political party.
The partner's identification with personal performance genius as the channeling of divine intelligence is important to her, and the partner's love of their children may form the basis of the union.
Regardless of the external conditions of the union, the female will retain a respect for the power of intelligent parenting and a belief in its importance in her life.
husband #1 meeting story for Material Girl 1958- dance song cinema Madonna
The 2nd husband-to-be, a film director (5) was first introduced at lunch in a private walled garden (Karkata) by an elder female (Chandra) attended by creative-theatrical people (5) such as actors, directors, costumers, and their financial backers (Zukra). Second marriage occurred in Rahu-Rahu swabukti: Rahu represents husband-2.
QUOTATION Behari comments:
"You will be unhappy in many ways.
Your own righteousness and egotism will often embroil you in a welter of confusion.
comments on Guru in bhava-5
Babur Receives a Courtier by Farrukh Beg c. 1580-85. Opaque watercolor and gold on paper, painted and mounted within borders of a Rawżat aṣ-ṣafāʾ page. Freer Sackler Gallery S1986.230
"Jupiter inspires and urges the individual to be religious, respectable, friendly and helpful.
The planet has a special affinity with this house, though its placement here is not favorable for children.
You are well-educated
Jupiter is a death significator of the maternal grandfather when it is in the 5th house.
Wealth and conveyance through many sources.
Trouble at the time of gain, rich and leader of own community.
Trouble in accomplishment.
Minister, skilled. Fruitless. Rich, adored by friends, knowledge of several sciences, thriving, charming, wise, director.
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