Ketu occupies 5th-from-Chandra
Ketu occupies 5th-from-Chandra
AUM kem ketave namah
OM shram shreem shroum sah ketave namah
Ketuvaye * Sikhi * Akasha
Kavandha * Rundaka
Vidya-sthana * Mantra-daya
Dragon's Tail * South Node
the fifth house
nati * intellegentia * ludum
Noche Nublado* Foggy Night, Paris
KETU IN Vidyasthana Bhava-5
putrabhava, mantrabhava, vidyabhava.
Similar to the effect of Ketu in 5th-from-Chandra
Favors impermanent acquisition of a step-child or foster child, or hosting of students from distant cultures.
For parents, Ketu-5 is associated with the birth of otherworldly, eccentric, abandoned or otherwise disconnected children.
May dissociate from children entirely, depending upon Ketu's ruler.
The English word student derives from the Latin "studere" meaning "to be eager". Ketu-5 shows the presence of eager students who are nonetheless numbed or disconnected from their natural environment. For charismatic teachers, Ketu indicates potentially talented students but simultaneously they are spacey or disoriented.
However, the disposition of children and gifted students (if any) depends heavily upon the role of disconnecting Ketu's planetary lord. If Ketu's ruler is comfortably-placed, the relationship may be more solid.
Ketu = inert
perpetual underlying psychic grief for some ineffable lost connection to Divine Intelligence.
Learning Style = peculiar, non-linear, apprehensive, content with lowest acceptable performance. Does the minimum.
Students with Ketu-5 often accept the lowest possible marks that will produce the diploma. Little enthusiasm for intellectual life.
Alternative lifestyles expressed in theatrical or political performance.
Ketu in Bhava-5 = busts-up, scatters relationship with the children; disperses the intellectual attention to topic; eliminates conventional social restrictions on on royalty and celebrity roles.
Scattered behavior in regard to procreation and delightful amusements may produce an incoherent, unfocused, or discombobulated eldest child . Often the child is perfectly intelligent but not interested in a conventional lifestyle, or not interested in material achievements.
Also = disconnected or eccentric results in fashion, theatre, or politics.
If bhava-5 = also the Karakamsha, or bhava-5 = arudha lagna,
No-barriers Ketu-5 may produce a politician who is successful in winning elections, yet not much concerned with protocol or polite boundaries.
Despite occasional success, one may learns to surrender the political ambitions.
Ambition is shrewdly trained upon the gains and goals of Rahu-11. One may wine-dine and romance with impunity, since their interest in political gamesmanship (5) may be minimal.
Incoherent, nebulous approach to royalty, celebrity, fame.
Scattered, incoherent attempts at ego-central role-playing.
Peculiar, eccentric, or mismatched romantic lovers.
If vidya-pati-5 occupies bhava-6 or bhava-12, conception of children may not manifest due to inability to cohere.
May express disregard (Ketu) for the intelligence, authentic genius, and original ideas of others:
Does not harm the legal contract of marriage (7) and does not prevent children. Yet often a lifelong sense of emptiness in matters of romantic love and recognition for personal creativity: as if a thick, hazy cloud of dust particles had dimmed the healing rays of the Sun.
Ketu in bhava-5 = often defined by community connections to validation - via-earnings Rahu-11 types.
The Ketu native may appear disinterested and dissatisfied toward even the most socially grand and spectacularly self-elevating (Rahu) community.
Even the super-financially privileged and privileged who may become one's genuine friends (Rahu-11) can be seen from a distance when Ketu gain strength during a Ketu bhukti or empowered transit.
Ketu-5 knows the importance of networking (11) but does not quite know how to have fun (5, entertainments); most amusements quickly lose their attraction * akarshana *; and although one will attend ceremonies, officiate, and patronize celebrity events, there is little personal joy in it.
Rahu-11 places one within a large and highly diverse set of interlocked communities (11).
If Surya is strong, Rahu-11 may be well known. However, the interlinkage of a Rahu community = materially expedient. Rahu-11 motives = not idealistic but rather explicitly instrumental; Rahu-11 = almost always gainful.
Prefers to socialize with business associates or those whose friendly association is instrumental to the native 's financial gain or elite social recognition.
Provided with the basic conditions of children and romance but cannot sustain an ego-connection to it
children, creative self-expression, politics, entertainments, speculation, literary authorship= all present in life in various degrees but one lacks energy to develop the base conditions beyond what was provided.
Exceptions: Ketu + another graha. The other graha has motivational energy. Ketu contributes 'weirdness' which is ability to observe everything indiscriminately.
Ketu-5 = may serve as a Political tool of more passionate economic interests
Just as Rahu the demi-god wanted desperately to sneak into the ranks of the immortal gods, and He would adopt any disguise to do so, Rahu in the nativity represents the desire to attain membership in an ultimate, exalted, pinnacle elite.
Rahu the Jyotisha Graha represents one who aims to"pass "as a member of an exotic collectivity or association (11) and thus to gain (11) privileges granted to this elite target group.
The Others-associates (Rahu) wants to take risks, have grand adventures, and shoot for high goals.
The Others-associates (Rahu) = passionate about life and quick-uncoiling but the native (Ketu) = apathetic about life and statically ambivalent toward movement. If Ketu moves at all, He is reluctant and slow.
The Others-associates (Rahu) = expedient, materialistic, and Goal-Oriented. (Rahu = co-lord of Kumbha-11 = goals and achievements)
(Rahu) desires to charm, pander, poach and seduce one's way into a higher social station through clever marriages and exciting sexual liaisons;
Ketu-5 = disinterested in mating behaviors and generally ambivalent - sometimes even repulsed by - toward matters of the Flesh .
The Others-associates (Rahu) wants to experience a sudden, exhilarating trajectory from the station of one's birth to a measurably "more valuable" position. the native (Ketu) seeks no weight, no value, no validation. Ketu does not care about station, location, position, valuation, or recognition.
The Others-associates (Rahu) is boastful and possibly deceitful. Rahu is an expedient agent in marketplace networks and often His true motives are cleverly disguised. For His part, Ketu = uncaring and negligent in center-stage, royal or celebrity roles, often reluctant to undertake the Movement that Rahu demands in order to meet Rahu's urgent need for social visibility, promotion, and elevation. The Rahu Others-associates complain of feeling unsupported by an unresponsive or insufficiently flamboyant Ketu native.
kamakaraka Rahu in bhava-11 =
chidrakaraka Ketu in bhava-5 =
Red Dust Cloud in space, from NASA
Political spouse * Corporate spouse
Ketu-5 is a common placement for the political partner
Although she is not the central figure in politics and its brightly lit venues of entertainments, elections campaign theatre, mixing with celebrities and royalty, she must still be present at all ceremonies and events.
A never-ending string of parties, celebrations, and award presentations must be attended and applauded.
The political wife does all this as a shadow partner of her Rahu-husband, who is passionately circulating throughout the social network developing instrumental contacts that help him to get recognized and elected.
Often the politician husband (Rahu) is passionately involved in social change movements (11) and financial markets (11) while the classical political wife is not so passionate (unless she has other graha in 5) but a competent, typically pleasant, and neutral entertainer.
power-vacuum in the natural effects of bhava-5:
scatters the intelligence
communications (3rd-from-3rd) are unconstrained by logical or cultural context
Ketu-5 can make dramatic statements unrelated to the facts, because truth-value, in which a statement of fact is connected to a state of consensus reality, is irrelevant to un-connector Ketu
unravels the romance
lacks accountability toward the children, the politicians, the creative artists, the literati
detached from amusements, disregards entitlements
celebrates the odd, the ostracized, the peculiar
mismatched romance; surrenders to peculiar lovers
disconnected from the eldest child
wanders away from the game (5)
vacuum, vacuous, vacancy, evacuation, on vacation * dissolution of ego-engagement in matters of creativity, authenticity, uniqueness, politics, entertainment, drama
wanders away from the center
disperses attention from the core
indecisively unable to make up the mind in matters of gambling, games, creativity, drama, politics, romance and children
Scattered Ketu's weak psychic boundaries = disperses the *generation* of coherent independent thought.
Ketu's ultimate performance in bhava-5 depends considerably upon the characteristics of His ruler. Yet despite the possibility of a strong ruler creating a unique and charming natural intelligence, Ketu interrupts the flow of intelligence from the heart with considerable gaps in creative ideation.
Often Ketu-5 appears as a paragon of good intentions producing little positive effect.
Genius incomplete; comes unglued at the moment of glory.
Intelligence dispersed * instructions, pronouncements disoriented or mystified
Communications (3rd-from-3rd) are typically unconstrained by logical or cultural context.
The communicative delivery of Ketu in 3rd-from-3rd is not bound or constrained by environment, setting, surroundings, or context.
One tends to feel free to declare the factual nature of one's own momentary delusion. Often there is disregard for facts and disregard also for the impact of one's own disoriented communications upon the recipients of the message. Ketu typically displays apathy toward the impact of His randomized communications upon his audience.
Regardless of Professor Ketu's rashi, when Ketuva occupies bhava-5 one may provide a veneer of alertness but the intellectual mechanism is disoriented. Ketu-5 in 3rd-from-3rd tends to make disconnected, even gibberish, pronouncements. Instructions and descriptions tend to be garbled or distinguished by a feature of non-reference to consensus reality.
The grammar of the message itself and the words used may be articulate depending on the characteristics of Budha. However, the issues with Ketu-5 is usually that whether the style of the pronouncement is gracious or rustic, the meaning may be garbled and unclear due to the disconnection between the words and their denotation.
The message may be linguistically smoothed by bantering Budha's communicative abilities. However, Ketu is not a respecter of forms and Ketu acknowledges no consequences. Ketu recognizes no fixed reality. Thus truth-value, in which a statement of fact is connected to a state of consensus reality, is irrelevant to un-connector Ketu-5.
Bhava-5 represents games. From Ketu's perspective, all declarations and announcements are events which require a clever performance (5) but the performance is artistic, fun, gaming, or speculative and it has no consequences. Ketu's ruler and any co-tenants control the style of declaration, announcement, and report however fundamentally Ketu-5 speaks ex-post-facto, unconcerned with logic or truth, in the spirit of entertainment and nothing more.
It must be known where the cut-lines are before one can confidently make the cut. Decision ('cis' = cut * incisive, scissor) requires definition (fin = limit * finite, fence). Ketu-5 struggles with executive decisions due to dispersion of confidence. However, in matters of politics, children, creativity, romance Ketu-is often the passive recipient of "getting cut".
In matters creative and pro-creative, Ketu-5 lacks follow-through.
With the classroom of Professor Ketu being placed in bhava-5 creative performance, the"evidence" of the vidya becomes dispersed. Modalities of conveying the vidya such as proper register, defined vocabulary and limited concepts become vague and often inconsistent in usage.
While Budha controls the speech articulation (so that a well-placed Budha may have the native sounding sharply articulate) indeed Ketu residing in vidya-bhava-5 tends to obscure and disperse the * definitions * of words and the * Boundaries * between concepts. The person may chatter on using a pleasant or even intelligent-sounding discourse of self-expression, while the usage entails so many contradictions and obscurations of meaning that the discourse in-toto makes no sense.
Incomplete execution in poetry, romance, children, politics. Brilliant ideas dissipate incoherently, turn to dust.
Manifestation of intellect is dispersed into vague academic entitlements. Through lack of attention to the role of personal will and engagement with the process, may declare success prematurely.
Misplaced confidence and unreliable ideas. May be accused as lacking integrity, but importantly the Ketu-5 issue is not a lack of moral integrity (that would occur in bhava-4) but rather a lack of intellectual integrity (ideas suffer absence of execution after the initial inspiration). A woolly thinker.
"Means well" but outcome nebulized before complete results can occur. Occasional flashes of lightning in a great dust-cloud. High earnings via Rahu-11, but remains in the service of others.
Scatters the capability to achieve, obtain, maintain, or retain connection to:
Naturally, any graha yuti Ketu and the disposition of Ketu's lord have priority in determining the outcome of Ketu-5. Infertile if Ketu's lord in 6-8-12. Otherwise, eccentric children.
Separated or detached from one's own children, toward whom one may assume a Witness perspective.
Unusual or eccentric traits in the children, who may be especially psychic or gifted in spiritual perceptions.
The results of Professor Ketu are comprehensively determined by His ruler. Ketu-5 does not per se limit the number of children.
However, if the putra-pati occupies a dusthamsha while putrabhava accepts incoming drishti of papagraha, with no relief from subhagraha, then the presence of Ketu in bhava-5 may be considered indicative of infertility and disinterest or indecisiveness regarding the acquisition of children.
Often the first child (Ketu) is eccentric or socially peculiar while the mate of the first child (Rahu) is socially ambitious.
Vimshottari bhukti of Ketu
During Ketu bhukti of any mahadasha and acutely during the Ketu-Ketu svabhukti, one born with Ketu in putra bhava-5 may have a hopeless feeling that one's ability to procreate, children and their well-being, literary creativity and performance art, romance and poetic amusements (5) are slipping away for reasons that seem out of your control .
This feeling of being a distant observer or powerless bystander toward putra-bhava conditions in one's own life may be even more profound when either Chandra or the radical lagna occupy a Nakshatra of Ketuva = Azwini, Magha-Regulus, or Mula-Nirriti.
Ketu in 5 = Long-term material success is inhibited by doubt re: one's ability to connect with:
Psychological expectation of abandonment and rejection by lovers, children, kings, politicians, entertainers, celebrities, performers, creatives, speculators, adventurers, geniuses, brilliant ones (Ketu = abandonment, chidrakaraka)
Does not cling to children. Eldest child tends to live away from home.
Native tends to abandon one's children to the Fates
Ambivalence toward The spouse's assets. If an inheritance is expected, it will not materialize or will be much reduced from the original sum.
Dissociated from children.
Potential for damage to the spine (5) or the back (5) via accident or injury when Ketu the Undefended receives malefic drishti. Depends on the rashi and must be triggered by harmful bhukti. Rashi effects = Kumbha skin and nerves, Mesha blood, Kanya digestion, Vrizchika sexual, Thula kidneys-adrenals, +. In rare cases creates an opening for tremendous Kundalini surge up the nadi channels due to lack of defense = Ketu.
Special children, learning disabilities, kids outside the norm, kids who are not interested in material achievement
Ketu in 5 would give some distinctive creativity and procreativity issues.
Ketu in 5 doesn't prevent children; rather, it typically produces a special child who is eccentric Yet, intelligent and notably disconnected from the normal behaviors of children in the culture.
If the native has multiple children, all of the children may be unusual in some intriguing way but the eldest is the most distinctively eccentric.
Vacant Ketu in 5 = karaka for kids with learning disabilities.
The eldest child = Ketu-ish, peculiar, detached, eccentric, odd or simply has a relationship with their parent that is physically distanced .
the eldest offspring may attend a boarding school in childhood
some other agency of separation such as an early marriage and settling far away
Feels that creativity, genius, royal charism a are a mirage.
Gives psychological separation from children, losses through apathy while engaged in speculation For the philosophical can work toward building consciousness and freedom from social constraints upon individual self-expression.
In practice, the eldest child is very sensitive to the presence of the ancestors, and often has some type of disability which increases their sensitivity to the voice of spirit guides. The children may underperform by mainstream standards. However, the child will succeed after receiving intuitive, sensitive help.
A s a result of accumulated experience stored in the subconscious, the native fundamentally expects to be separated from one's own creative genius.
Harms not intelligence but reduces "ownership" of the intelligence. Unfortunate as a Gambler. Too much ambivalence toward the outcome. Loses good opportunities in financial speculation through procrastination or disengagement. If the lord is aggressive, may gambles with money, with their future, with lovers, and with the children's lives Yet, the negative effect especially on the children is not important. Unclear how to express or promote oneself.
one should never gamble or play games for money because they do not understand speculation and Ketu makes a victim.
Unmotivated in romance. the native tends to give up, to surrender, at the first sign of challenge to renegotiate the partnership. When children have polarizing catalysis or need extra support, the Ketu native does nothing - neither help nor harm. It is an inert placement.
Apathetic or detached from children, romantic lovers (not spousal), performance arts, speculation, gambling, creativity, genius , self-expression, politics, elections, political campaigns, literary pursuits, theatre, acting, self-publishing, poetry, dance
Dissatisfaction, ambivalence and uncertainty regarding the privilege to express genius and creativity.
Depending on Ketu's lord, the native may have performance art skills or ability to produce and raise children -- but one feels detached from their value.
Long-term material success is inhibited by doubt re: ability to connect with the heart . Must take care to protect the heart from psychic incursion of grief, due to an effable sense of loss .
Resistance to validation via performance art, divine intelligence, or genius celebrity; the children seem distant and unconnected to one's essential self.
Despite what one is really doing with individual channeling of divine intelligence, the native can passively reflect the creative genius image Of the psychic projections of the collective unconscious.
"No barriers " Ketu connects the native to the experiences of His house location through direct intuition. No analysis, no cultural filters.
bhava-5 is the house of intelligence, and Ketu is the karaka for abrupt disconnection, forcible removal, and apathy or even despair.
Learning Disabilities / Learning Style
One is averse to praise for individual achievement. It is not modesty or conservatism but a genuine disengagement from the whole business of celebrity, uniqueness, and channeling the light.
Nature of the "disability" is indicated by the rashi, incoming drishti et-cetera. as well as co-tenant.
The lightning flash of genius is rarely seen. Prizes are rarely won. the native is "withdrawn" from competitions and games.
the native with Ketu in 5 may experience apathy toward life's opportunities for creative self-expression.
Unless there is some compensation in the nativity such as uttama-Budha or vidya-pati-5 in lagna, the native does rather poorly in school competitions.
Intelligence of a peculiar, eccentric nature. The English word intelligence = inter (between) + lig (choice) + ence (noun suffix). Intelligence means "choosing between". Bhava-5 indicates the nature and characteristics of the choice-making intelligence.
Just as Ketu-5 does not prevent children but rather may increase them, Ketu-5 does not prevent intelligence but rather may increase its scope. Yet, the characteristics of the intelligence are peculiar by nature and rarely match (Ketu mismatch) the conventional expectations. The charismatic intelligence (5) tends to manifest in a non-standard, marginal, peculiar, 'witnessing' and difficult-to-validate type
Yet, the instinct to gain political power or applause via the personal genius is much blunted. One will seek other routes toward receiving the attention and approval which the ego-membrane craves.
Ketu-5 may be positively brilliant if other graha heighten the analytical and articulatory intelligence. Yet one's dramatic expression in costume, hairstyle, personal manners (5) is so odd, so peculiar, so withdrawn, and so self-centered that one may be seen as "not the brightest light in the harbor".
The natural genius may not emerge very clearly, and the native is not rewarded for being intellectually or politically clever. In childhood, one loses at most games which involve speculative intelligence; by the time of adulthood, apathy has set in, and the native will not compete.
Poetry and Romance;"falling in love"
One may feel marginalized by the entertainment and political establishment.
Ketu-5 may be considered too detached and eccentric for mainstream glamour. One may feel ostracized by the king-makers of political and theatrical celebrity, even if the products of one's creativity are recognized and one becomes materially successful.
applies more vividly to Ketu in 5th-from-Chandra
Putra bhava is the bhava of performance and pride in one's own creative output is Naturally, the signature of bhava-5. Ketu's job is to disconnect the performance and dislodge that pride.
Ketu in 5: children are not prevented. If anything, no barriers Ketu can signal inordinate numbers of children.
Rather, one's relationship to children tends to become invalidating.
The children are not failures in society, exactly, but they seem somewhat oblivious to what is expected of them.
Performance is surprisingly low, when compared to the child's apparent potential
The children turn out oddly, in some way that is peculiar or incommensurable with one's ego-expectations.
In very extreme circumstances, the child may dematerialize.
Ketu + the bhava-pati in svakshetra is strengthening.
Disability of Child
If Ketu's lord is a malefic and Ketu's lord is located 6, 8, or 12 from putra bhava (in bhava-4, bhava-10, or bhava-12) then Ketu-5 = condition of illness or other disability which affects all the children, particularly the first child. The disability may prevent the child from developing its brightest intelligence potential. However, the child may enjoy life on the child's own terms because Ketu typically disregards other people's opinions.
The child is likely to feel no serious social consequences of the mainstream-defined disability due to the non-reactivity of Ketu. Therefore, the child can be perfectly contented on its own basis entirely without regard to social marginalization or lack of a central position.
With Ketu-5, the eldest child especially and all of one's children generally are Anti-social, chronically mentally or physically ill, dysfunctional in some way, making poor life choices, Or otherwise producing a creative self-expression of which the native cannot be too proud.
unacknowledged or disregarded learning disabilities that prevent the child from performing well in school;
underlying unrecognized physical conditions , e.g.
The child seems to not represent the parent in a positive light, to the extent that one may be humiliated by the child's behavior.
With Ketu in putra bhava, the relationship is indeed materialized (a child is born) but over time one becomes frustrated, annoyed, and disappointed by the child.
In bhava-5, Ketu yields disappointment and disorientation during material connections with the child or children, but high levels of spiritual detachment and non-judgmental acceptance of a"problem child" will improve the outcome tremendously. The first child typically does have some social adjustment problems such as learning disability or a physical handicap.
Similar to Ketu in each of the 12 houses, with a redirection of consciousness, if the native can achieve spiritual witness which removes he urgency to react to the child, this in turn may provide the native with great social respect and regard as one who maintains dignity in obviously trying circumstances.
Eccentric but delightful
Does not deny children. Rather, gives unusual and peculiar traits to the procreated. Eccentric but likely delightful character attributed to the first child in particular and to all of one's offspring in general.
The first child is born under unusual circumstances (e.g., out of wedlock or after the parents are told they are infertile) or the first child is adopted or the first child is very sensitive yet rather unresponsive to conventional education, making others question their intelligence.
In rashi of material-plane Shani, the peculiarity may be physical. In rashi of mental-plane Budha, the peculiarity may be mental.
The eldest child is distant, unconnected, and apathetic although perhaps remarkably intelligent in an intuitive style.
Not a gambler, but a rather apathetic toward creative endeavors. (Depends definitely on lord of bhava-5!)
Agents of approval, admiration, applause = hermits, yogis, saints.
Meditation and detachment are the primary means of gaining ego-validation, attention and approval.
Genius for Teaching Lost or Disconnected Children
Putra bhava is a house of genius, and any graha which migrates there may express its genius on the stage of politics, drama, personal intelligence, creative expressions, and children.
Ketu in bhava-5 may indicate a gifted, independent teacher of children with various disabilities: physical, social, emotional, mental.
Free from habitual punitive reaction, the children suffering social adaption difficulties may feel more safe and accepted , and even quite adversarial children may learn and begin to thrive.
Even without professional teaching, the spiritually minded native may enjoy a special Seva dedicated to the care and protection of disconnected children.
QUOTATION Das commentary upon Ketu in bhava-5
" ... makes you have such unusual urges that you become a very original but shocking thinker , which causes you trouble with others.
You become so affected by some of your thoughts that your own goals get blurred
Yet, you are powerful in some way mentally,
You suffer from your own thoughts.
You get hurt by falling from a high position.
You are crafty, jealous, weak, timid and impatient.
Either having or staying with the children is difficult or you get separated from your children due to circumstance.
You are disobedient and meet with troubles thereby.
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