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Media Mogul + Restaurateur

Rancher + Wastelands tycoon + Environmentalist

Champion Sailboat Racer

International Development Philanthropist

Founder of Cable News Network CNn

Ted Turner

a.k.a. Robert Edward Turner III

a.k.a. The Mouth of the South

Earth-birth Sunday-19-Nov-1938



Entrepreneur of CNN

America's Cup yachting champion

Ted's Montana Grill

Robert Edward Turner III * Ted Turner


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Rising Nakshatra

Masculine Nativities

Dhaniṣṭha-Delphinus * Vasu

BPL commentary

For Dhaniṣṭha births of a masculine valence, the condition of kinesthetic, direct, yang-energy, forward-pushing bhratru-karaka Mangala may considerably affect the outcome.

For those born into the Kuja-ruled paradigm of Vasava, brother-figures, warriors, hunters, athletes, dancers, champions, challengers, inventors, explorers, dis-coverers, engineers, drivers, drillers, diggers, exploders, aggressors, pushers, invaders, pursuers, competitions and battles may be especially influential.

Dhaniṣṭha-born often respond to a deep inner fear [Shani] which manifests as aggressive survival-driven competition [Kuja]. The result = orderly, direct, empowered, and dynamic structured action.

Instructional guidance is provided by emissaries from the civilizations of Delphinus. Their purpose is social engineering, economic competition, and achievement of dominant positions.

Hierarchical Power Climber

Kuja-ruled Vasu-born fellows endure acute Shani-Mangala tension. They are intensely competitive. In no uncertain terms, these men play to win. Goal-directed and often ruthless, their playing fields are typically located in the corporate-institutional hierarchies of Shani, where they strive for alpha-dominant positions.

Operating in orderly Shani-controlled environments of Makara and Kumbha, Vasu champions are surrounded by lawful, systematic, and often timid folks who rarely resist Hrsikesha's powerful ascent to the peak of the hierarchy.

Dhaniṣṭha + Sraviztha are a pair, similar to the Purva-Uttara pairs. Similar to genteel Shraviztha, those born within Dhaniṣṭha are highly sensitive to rhythm, pace, and tone. They can develop successful careers in music and dance performance. Unlike demur Soma-ruled Shraviztha, those born into Kuja-ruled Dhaniṣṭha favor athletic, competitive movement. They thrive where the blood-stirring beat of the war-drums is pulsing, energizing, and strong. They set high-achievement goals. Dhaniṣṭha are determined to win the contest, at any cost. When Dhaniṣṭha folk choose an entertainment career, it is often full of loud singing, vigorous dance, sexual strutting, and dominated by men.

Makara pada 1-2 express Kuja's control of 4-lands-roots + 11-earnings. Pro-actively patriotic [4] and driven to achieve profits [11] , they are often found in real-estate [4] education [4] agriculture [4] transportation [4] police + defense industry [4] minerals + mining [4] or in any marketplace where the path to economic gain [11] is open to Kuja's dominating, goal-oriented, competitive vigor. Since Mangala activates a 6/8 pair, their Achilles Heel = economic protectionism [4-11] . Outcome depends upon the character of Mangala.


Themes of brotherhood, survival, vitality, forceful movement, controlled explosion, exploration, winning, pioneering, discovery, invention, drilling, penetration, invasion, intimidation, sexual pursuit, and conquest may contextualize Vasu's terrestrial experience. Incoming drishti from Kuja can mobilize their progressive, pioneering actions. Also applies to Chandra in Dhaniṣṭha

QUOTATION from: Shil-Ponde.[1939] . Hindu Astrology Joytisha-Shastra. p 87

"Two entirely different types are born with Dhaniṣṭha rising.

It depends on the part of this asterism, which lies on the Rising Point, as to which type predominates.

  • The key notes of both are optimism and ambition .

They both have thick necks and heavy thighs.

  • But there the similarity stops. [see later Pada descriptions] ."


1993 * Ted Turner + third lifepartner, On Golden Pond 1937- drama-fitness Jane Fonda


Ted Turner marriage-3-of-3 with On Golden Pond 1937- drama-fitness Jane Fonda, 1991

Ted_Turner_elder.jpgBiographical events Vimshottari Dasha calendar

Rahu Mahadasha * age birth until age 17

Sunday-19-Nov-1938 Earth-birth in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA * Rahu-Rahu svabhukti

Nov-1952 until Nov-1955 Janma Sade-Sati via Tula-10

Guru Mahadasha * age 17 until age 33

1956 [TT age 18] grieved the decease of younger sister Mary Jean from Lupus [her age 17] Guru-Guru svabhukti * Shani parivartamsha Guru * Shani activates 2nd-from -3rd-from-Chandra [younger sibling] == TT's Makara indriya-lagna ++ Sade-Sati

1959 [TT age 21] dismissed from Brown University before earning BA diploma * Guru-Shani bhukti * Shani-3 occupies 12th-from-4th loss of diploma

1959 [TT age 21] parents' divorce * Guru-Shani bhukti * Guru-Shani bhukti * Shani-3 occupies 12th-from-4th loss of parental home

23-Jun-1960 [until 1964] exchange the vows of marriage-1-of-3 with Julia Gale Nye * Guru-Shani bhukti * gochara R-K via Kumbha-Simha * contact Kumbha 7th navamsha

05-Mar-1963 [TT age 24] suicide of father, Robert Edward Turner [Dad's age 52] * Guru-Ketu bhukti

02-Jun-1965 [TT age 26] exchange the vows of marriage-2-of-3 with Jane Shirley Smith [until 1988] * Guru-Shukra bhukti * gochara R-K via Vṛṣa-Vṛścika * contact navamsha R-K

Shani Mahadasha * age 33 until age 52

1977 [TT age 39] celebrated championship win of America's Cup international sailing competition, featured on cover of TIME magazine * Shani-Budha bhukti * Budha activates 9-celebrity fortune

1980 [TT age 42] created Cable News Network CNN * Shani-Shukra bhukti * Shukra karmesha executive decisions

Oct-1982 until Dec-1984 Janma Sade-Sati via Tula = bhava-10

1985 [TT age 47] psychiatric diagnosis of bipolar disorder to be medicated with lithium * Shani-Rahu bhukti ++ dvithya Sade-Sati

1988 [TT age 50] divorce-2-of-3 following 22 years of marriage * Shani-Guru chidra-dasha * Guru activates 12 = 6th-from-7th adversarial to marriage

BudhaMahadasha * age 52 until age 69

21-Dec-1991 [TT age 53] exchange the vows of marriage-3-of-3 with Jane Fonda * Budha-Budha svabhukti [Budha-yuti-Shukra] * gochara R-K via Dhanus-Mithunaya * contact navamsha Chandra-Mithunaya

10-Jan-1992 [TT age 54] grieved the decease of mother Florence Turner * Budha-Budha svabhukti * Budha activates 12th-from-Chandra

2001 [TT age 63] divorce-3-of-3 * Budha-Rahu bhukti

KetuMahadasha * age 69 until age 76

Nov-2011 until Nov-2014 Janma Sade-Sati via Tula = bhava-10

Shukra Mahadasha * age 76 until age 96

2018 [TT age 80] revealed his diagnosis of Lewy-body Dementia * Shukra-Surya bhukti * Surya randhresha identity change

Distinctive Features of the Nativity


pitri-karaka [father] jyoti-karaka [light]

[bright center of marketplace secrets]

[intelligence for profitable discoveries]

[focus-point of network sudden identity change]





  • [Surya-Vṛścika] * Maricha * particle of light * brightly charismatic confidence of Center-stage Surya radiates through the penetrating transformative rashi of Mangala
  • [Surya in bhava-11] center of community * genius for associative systems * radiates through the gridwork * entitled to work-and-earn * network intelligence * focus on interlinked ecologies * uniquely creative marketplace revenues * exemplifies knotting-netting-knitting connectivity * distributed light * eye on friendships * celebrated by crowds * sparkling center of social-economic drama * father may be an earner-socialite-organizer
  • [Surya-yuti-Budha] confidently conversational * bright messenger * entitled to discuss * creatively intelligent sibling-cohort * discursive father-figure * gestures conduct the spiritual rays of the Sun * radiantly descriptive * articulate in drama * skillful game-player * self-confident announcements * talks about ideals * narrative of power-politics * recites love poems * describes divine romance
  • [Surya-yuti-Shukra] confidently harmonious * brightly creative bargainer * uniquely intelligent feminine-figures * entitled to pleasures * aesthetic expressions align with the spiritual rays of the Sun * financial politics * graciously creative * dramatic promises * radiantly diplomatic * self-reflexively attractive * father may be artist-broker-arranger


Sparkling Surya activates Simha Svamsha

ruler of 8 occupies 11 numerous economic upheavals, financial ups-and-downs


Dad = Robert Edward Turner, a businessman. Dad bought a billboard advertising company in Georgia USA. Under dad's leadership, Turner Advertising had notable commercial success.

Surya randhresha

Dad was speculated to have suffered from bipolar disorder. TT was later also diagnosed with BPD. Dad was both physically and emotionally abusive to his children, especially to Ted.

Dad committed suicide by gunshot in 1963, when TT was 25.


matrikaraka [mother] * garha-karaka [village]

[balancing-brokering jaya-pati for Makara-Draco indriya-lagna]


[Svatika-1] [navamsha Chandra-Dhanus] intuitively sensitive inspirational-coaching


  • [Chandra-Tula] comforted by ritual negotiation of agreements * sensitive to balance * needs to trade
  • [Chandra in Chitra-Spica] comforted by engineered arrangements * protectors of innovative design * soothed by patterned movement * clever hands
  • [Chandra in classroom-10] comfortable with high reputation * socially recognized protector * parental style of leadership * Familiar Face to the public * sensitive to social protocol * accustomed to regulations * soothed by peak position * acculturated to executive routines * settled into the rhythm of respected roles * feels the repeating pulse of elite status * calmed by climbing hierarchical steps * anchored into lawful responsibility * undulating authority * mother may be a dignitary, a well-known figure, a principal, a prominent parent
  • [Somana-yuti-Rahu] emotionally expedient * sensitive to exotic folks * risk-rewarding mother * over-stimulated feelings * unconventional parenting style * comfortable in mixed-culture environments * undulating desires * craves passionate nurturing * feels exceptional

MARRIAGE relationship partnership support expectations


  • marriage-1-of-3
  • bhava-4 contains Ketu in classroom-4
  • Mesha independence physicality innovation
  • first alliance for Somana-yuti-Rahu is typically unsustainable due to Ketu located in 7th-from-Chandra
  • the first union conflict was increased by Mesha's ruler the contentious, accusatory Mangala-Kanya located in 6th-from-7th-from-Chandra
  • first spouse was a champion sailor, athletic, verbally confrontational, energetically competitive [Kuja]
  • the marriage suffered from physical conflict

8th-from- [7th-from-Chandra-10]

  • marriage-2-of-3
  • bhava-11 friendship, economics, gainfulness
  • Vṛścika secrecy, intense transformation, healing
  • contains Shukra-yuti-Surya [Shukra-yuti-Budha]
  • 22 year alliance governed by Mangala-Kanya in 11th-from-11th = goal achievement
  • amicable divorce

3rd-from- [7th-from-Chandra-10]

  • marriage-3-of-3
  • bhava-6 animosity, disagreement, ailment
  • Mithunaya, commerce, cinema, communications
  • no graha in 6
  • ruled by Budha in bhava-11 located in 6th-from-6th
  • contains Shukra-yuti-Surya [Shukra-yuti-Budha]
  • marriage endured exceptional media exposure, photographs
  • marriage suffered from accusations of infidelity [true]


bhratru-karaka [brother] virya-karaka [virile]

  • [Mangala-Kanya] * penetrating logic * proactive helping * thrust toward service * energetic assistance to the needy * push toward unfairness * champion of litigious accusation * military planning * aggressive indictments * investigative journalism * medical treatment interventions
  • [Mangala in bhava-9] [karako bhavo nashto] drive toward doctrine * champion of paradigmatic belief * pursuit of patronage * dynamic preaching * philosophy of innovation * believes in conquest * aggressive or sexualized paternal energies * dominating military father-figures * growth-challenging paternal behavior
  • Budha-11 parivartamsha Kuja-9


Constant tension

due to Mutual-Drishti between Kuja-9 ++ Shani-3 lagnesha


Notable property ownership-stewardship bandesha-4 = Mangala-9



jamayah-karaka [sibling] sandeza-karaka [message] zisya-karaka [student]

[Atmakaraka communications media, conversations, sexual coupling, commercial business, cinema, details]

[Budha-11 parivartamsha Kuja-9]

[Dhanayoga Budha-11 rules-9]


  • [Budha-Vṛścika ] secretive communications * articulation of transformative process * emergency pronouncements * delivers messages about dangerous situations * describes mystical initiation * discusses undisclosed mysteries * articulately defined masking * gives instruction for penetrating procedures * expertly detailed disguise * hands-arms-shoulders make occult gestures
  • [Budha in bhava-11] narrative of information systems * describes ecological gridwork * calculates economic profit * reports on revenues * describes distributive networks * talks about social participation * sibling-type friendships * conversations about voluntary connections * announces achievements * delivers interlinking instructions * discussion in large assemblies * defines the webworks of community
  • [Budha-yuti-Surya] amusing explanations * entertaining chatter * central roles in communication * brightly clear descriptions * dramatic enunciation * confidently delivers instruction * articulation of radiant certainty * political messenger * talkative father-figures
  • [Budha-yuti-Shukra] explainer of balanced arrangements * diplomatic conversations * parity-seeking discussions * manual adjustments * enjoys words * sweet descriptions * delivers instruction about relationships * articulator of equity in agreements * message of fairly bargained contracts * skilled in songwriting * talkative sister-cousin-cohort * detailed lyricist * attracts chatty partners
  • Budha-11 parivartamsha Kuja-9


Double Parivartamsha

  • Guru-Shani
  • Mangala-Budha

legendary acquirer of historical audio and video recordings [3 media, 2 recordings] . Turner parlayed his hoard of antique television and cinema reels into a huge fortune by creating a cable-television station [3] dedicated to broadcasting "oldies" [Shani]. After acquiring a considerable net worth [2, capital] Turner continued to acquire further undervalued treasures such as wastelands [Shani undervalued, waste] .


Budha-11 parivartamsha Kuja-9 [11th-from-11th]


dhava-karaka [husband] bahuta-karaka [variety]

  • [Guru-Kumbha] much networking * many marketplaces * optimistic about big associations * permission to connect * scientific beliefs * doctrine of economic linkage * distributed guidance * expands the scope of social participation * multiple communities * diversity of friendships
  • [Guru in bhava-2] much hoard * many songs * many stories * extensive history * generous reserves * several genetic lines * many accumulated goods * numerous languages * expansive oratory * large eyes * many voices * many valuations * extensive accounts * grows the family lineage * optimistic heritage * believes in historic conservation * patron of speech-and-song * in a wifely nativity, husbandly-companion may be a keeper-collector-preserver
  • Guru-Kumbha-2 parivartamsha Shani-Meena-3


Five children * fertile Guru drishti upon Chandra, while Chandra-yuti-Rahu

Generous Guru activates -3 communications media parivartamsha Shani-activates-2 containment, collections = extraordinary collection of of cinematic and television broadcasting rights


svadu-karaka [sweet] kalatra-karaka [wifely companion]

[Yogakaraka dutiful karmesha for Makara-Draco indriya-lagna]

[Yogakaraka vidya-pathu for Makara-Draco indriya-lagna]

[profitably balanced economic relationships]

[pleasantly secretive community linkage]

[bargains for network harmony]

[Shukra-yuti-Surya ]



  • [Shukra-Vṛścika] appreciation of penetrating discovery * likes mysteries * attracted to danger * aesthetic of exploration * pleased by covert power * prefers a healing partner * undisclosed arrangements * phoenix aesthetic of rejuvenation * beautifying rebirth * negotiates pleasantly in threatening conditions * seeks equity during sudden upheavals * balanced approach to emergencies * enjoys hidden alliances * conducts secret diplomacy
  • [Shukra-11] seeks pleasure via social connectivity * pleasant community linkage * balances asset distribution systems * seeks network equity * association with artists * values friendly financial connections * likes knitting-and-knotting * pleasing designs to adorn the skin * graceful ankles * appreciation of friendships * aesthetic of fair deals in marketplace * enjoys attractive friends * in a husbandly nativity, wifely-companion may be a socialite-economist-networker
  • [Shukra-yuti-Surya] balanced roles in drama * appreciation for political display * pleasantly charming * self-focused diplomacy * radiant bright beauty * self-reflexive bargaining * sweet entitlements * negotiating father-figure * self-directed arrangements * focus on trade exchange * solipsistic romance * idealistic contracts * enjoys the game of deal-making * prefers self-confident partners
  • [Shukra-yuti-Budha] sweetened messages * gracious explanations * talented in singing-songwriting * articulate negotiations * advocates for reasoning process * talkative feminine-figures * pleasant conversations * bargaining for business * sibling-cohort collaborative harmony * enjoys the company of students * detailed contracts * prefers logical arrangements

Three marriages = Shukra + [Surya-yuti-Budha]


Shukra activates Thula 10th navamsha cotnaining [uchcha] Rahu

marketplace bargainer Shukra-11 activates

  • 5-creativity, intelligence, games
  • 10-leadership, social respect, profession


duro-karaka [endurance] * jara-karaka [Jahre, years]

[energizing-identifying lagnesha for Makara-Draco indriya-lagna]

[acqusitive dhana-pati for Makara-Draco indriya-lagna]

[intuitive gestures preserve respectful discourse]

[obligation to handle imaginative communications]

[onerous commerce in dreamworld visions]

[signals cautiously about clairsentient guidance]



  • [Shani-Meena] heavy old dreams, tightly regulated imagination, fear of vast waters * mandatory dreamwork , structural compression upon aching feet, strictly imposed conditions of sanctuary, must endure lowest-common-denominator proletarian prayer, slow elder diviners, limited access to ancient ancestor guides * must materialize the vision * must sustain the effort of connecting the material senses with the astral vision despite scarce resources
  • [Shani in Bhava-3] steady time-structured dialogue * heavy responsibility for business * obstructionist younger siblings * disciplined handwork * required writing * must message * obliged to explain * cautious instructions * orderly teamwork * tense interactions * communicative fatigue * chronic sadness * stops spontaneous announcements * mental depression due to old repeating thoughts * may limit the hearing * tight time management * regulated schedules * elders preserve materialistic mentality
  • Shani-Meena-3 parivartamsha Guru-Kumbha-2


Shani = [Yogakaraka] measured from Tula-Chandra

Constant tension

due to Mutual-Drishti between Kuja-9 ++ Shani-3 lagnesha

Shani in Bhava-3 occupies the emotionally stressful, disagreeable, unbalanced [6th-from-Chandra]

Shani in Bhava-3 mentality, brain seizures, depression, pessimistic narratives

TT has publicly discussed his lifelong struggles with diagnoses of BPD and later Lewy-body dementia [Parkinson's spectrum] . His patterns include alcoholism, therapeutic lithium drugs [which he abandoned] and recurring disruptive behavior events. The parivartamsha yoga confers enough structure to endure the mental pressure, Yet, there may be significant challenges in the area of day-to-day judgment.


rajyalobha-karaka [ambition] picchala-karaka [slippery]



  • [Rahu-Tula] shimmering illusion of balance * craving for trade * mask of fairly bargained contracts * over-reaching advocacy * outsider who cleverly insinuates into trusted counseling roles * sweetly unconventional adjudication * exceptional accommodation * mixed-measure balance * extravagant brokerage * mirage of suave deal-making * extraordinary terms of mutual agreement * gracious non-customary alliances * ambitious diplomacy * seeks special importance via apparent [but perhaps not authentic] equity-assured negotiation * seeks privilege via adviser-roles
  • [Rahu in bhava-10] passion for leadership power * in svabhava of Sober Shani, the Shadowy Specter seeks privilege via glamorous executive decisions * thrilled by iconic status * craves symbolic importance * hungers for regulatory authority * outsider who cleverly insinuates into lawful governance * cleverly challenges official rules * mesmerizing ascent to high social status * may pose as a boss * shimmering smoky illusion of legitimate power * trespasses cultural limits of old hierarchies * boundary-breaching hunger for commanding roles * ambition for elite rank * desires to hold a respected position * opportunistic climb to top of the corporate pyramid * culturally-mixed reputation * ambition of the father's family
  • [Rahu-yuti-Soma] amplified emotion * magnified familiarity * extraordinary mother * exotic habits * tricky routines * opportunistic patriotism * fascinating [but perhaps illusory] appearance of sympathetic caretaking * hypnotic rhythms * emotionally attuned to cross-cultural mixing


[uchcha] Rahu occupies 10th navamsha treasuries via ambitious opportunism


kavandha-karaka [headless] chidra-karaka [gaping] vasana-karaka [vacuum]

  • [Ketu-Mesha] physically dissociates from competitive dominance * incomplete nobility * eccentric innovations * unconventional athletics * heroic push forward into nothingness * dissolute conquest * not limited by blood or birth * ignores restrictions on kinetic movement * releases a blood-red cloud of dynamic energy into the misty abyss
  • [Ketu in classroom-4] ambivalent toward the cultural foundations * absentee mother-figure * disregards local customs * dissolved property boundaries * wanders from the ancestral home * often away * ignores conventional schooling * irrelevance of habitual folkways * surrenders nationality * dismisses the parents * abandons the established routines * may prefer to live free from fixed roots



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