Ashtamsha Shani is one of the Shani-Dhaiyya * Shani-Dhaiya = "two-and-a-half year" emotional-challenge transits.
Other Shani-Dhaiyya, traditionally, include:
zanichaturazra = Shani-chaturamsha = Shani's transit via the rashi = 4th-from-Chandra
crisis drill * dis-comfort * hard landing
Transits of Saturn thru the 8th house counted from the Moon
POTUS-43 Decision Points 1946- George W. Bush * Chandra-Kanya. 8th-from-Chandra = Mesha rashi. Mesha = his karmasthana-10. Bhava-10 contains no graha, but 10 does receive drishti of Shani.
Mr. Bush was working in 2000 as the Governor of Texas, while at the same time he was running for president.
Bush sustained a long and difficult elections campaign for US President (governance, 10) during Shani Ashtamsha in Mesha-10, 1998-2000.
Despite pouring millions of dollars of funding money into his campaign, his standing amongst the electorate did not budge (Shani, stuck) until Shani entered Vrishabha (and contacted his super-earning super-networked uttama-Rahu) in summer 2000. After a contentious election, Bush became POTUS-43.
Shani Ashtamsha =
| Matching Divinatory Signal:
2 of Coins, reversed
QUOTATION from Golden Tarot :"Imbalance and disharmony as a result of upheaval and transformation.
|Q: my mate is preparing to enter their Shani-ashtamsha, and our union appears to be moving toward legal divorce. You said that this person is not in a divorce-karaka bhukti, but couldn't a Shani-ashtamsha also signify the crisis of divorce?|| Shani ashtamsha does not indicate divorce, because divorce is an active movement, and it is Shani's highest intention to prevent movement! |
The English word divorce = "dis-vers " turn (vers) away (dis). Divorce is an action of turning away. You're right that divorce does generate (usually) a crisis of identity change, and randhra-bhava-8 represents crisis.
However Shani transiting via 8th-from-Chandra tends to"freeze-frame" the crisis so that it becomes effortful (often extremely effortful) to move either forward toward new life (divorce) or backward toward the old life (reconciliation).
| Shani and Chandra |
Chandra the Flow-Flooder Shani the Flow-Freezer
Shani the Flow-Freezer
Shani imposes a cold, dry, orderly, and change-resistant"holding pattern" which blocks Chandra's wellspring flow of emotionally support, emotionally nourishment, for cyclical changes.
During Shani-astamsha, Chandra temporarily occupies 6th from Shani
Thus Chandra the Flow-Flooder temporarily becomes an enemy of Shani the Flow-Freezer
Chandra is not an initiator. Chandra does not normally initiate actions (except when overstimulated by Mangala e.g. Chandra-Vrischika).
Chandra is a responder. (This is literally true as Chandra the space-ball is actually a signal transponder in the Earth-Mars-Moon triangulation... but more on that later...)
Chandra responds emotionally to others' actions. Chandra also responds reflexively to one's own actions, for example with retrospective guilt.
Chandra regulates Earth's oceans among His other tasks. Chandra likes the rhythms of predictable patterns of evolutionary change following the cycle of the ocean tides. Chandra enjoys organic emotional life cycles, parenting and protecting, nurturing the weak, defending the defenseless.
Generally, Chandra flourishes in the behavior of responding to life. Chandra rarely initiates action, but Chandra does like to respond by sympathizing, empathizing, protecting, parenting, nourishing.
Shani ashtamsha indicates a cold, dry, fixed, brittle, rigid, stiff, stuck, icy, windy, heavy, punitive, lawful, socially conformist, fearful, materialistic (Shani) .... all-systems resistance to FLOW.
Shani-ashtamsha is a high-pressure, slow-moving, emotionally-rigid state that endures for 2.3 years. The overall impact of the transit very much depends upon the concurrent Vimshottari Dasha periods as well as the characteristics and empowerment status of the planetary ruler of the bhava which is identical to 8th-from-Chandra.
| When Chandra
is born into 8th-from-Shani, one may experience lifelong
flow-freezing effects of "virtual permanent shani-ashtamsha" |
these nativities may appear emotionally stiff, delayed empathy, repressed, restricted in their parenting or nurturing permissions
Often very hard-working personalities who feel that they must soldier-on despite limited emotional support from the social environment
|Change-resistance, emotional status-quo, neither forward nor backward|| Shani enters the 8th position from Chandra. The 8th angle signifies identity transformation, change in social status, moving energetically through the transformative phases of life, eruptions of sudden force from hidden sources within the material shell, and other indications of major change whilst maintaining the living external physical body-shell. (Includes surgeries, therapeutic healings, gender reassignment, widowhood, surviving a natural disaster etc.) |
Shani gochara via 8th-from-Chandra . freezes the emotional response to the upwelling of internal life-force which motivates forward movement into the next phase of life. Shani freezes the permission, resists the muscular movement, prevents a thousand rebirths.
Humans are psycho-chemically reborn in every millisecond = cells dying and being rebuilt, outdated beliefs being disproven and replaced, relationship lessons learned and behavioral changes applied. Shani ashtamsha slows this process considerably.
When the rebirth canal is flowing, it channels the scheduled movements through life's organic phases. Shani blocks the rebirth canal.
The person stiffens up, feels rigid on the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual levels. Things feel locked in. The typical feeling during Shani-ashtamsha is to stop moving as much as possible while fulfilling the minimum social obligation.
Shani ashtamsha prevents nutrient from reaching the 8th position thus freezing Chandra's ability to support the otherwise one's natural segue into the next life phase ( 8).
Shani ashtamsha locks the person into a rigid emotional condition, during which the native may experience a tangible resistance to flow at the physical, emotional, financial, social, mental, and even spiritual levels of perception.
|Not typically a shell-death significator, unless Shani is also L-2 or yuvatipathi-7|| Shani blocks the emotional response that
normally lubricates the natural cyclical flow of identity change. |
Fleshdeath is always followed by fleshbirth. Fleshbirth is always followed by fleshdeath. Shani delays the processing time required to process the death-birth-death-birth cycle.
(Life has no opposite. All beings are eternally alive. The opposite of death is not life! The opposite of death is birth.)
Shani-ashtamsha generally prevents liberation via physical death, imposing instead a regime of continuous survival on minimum amounts of nutrient thus minimum amounts of life-force energy. Shani ashtamsha can indicate the onset of old age but not flesh-death.
| TAKING RESPONSIBILITY MAKES THE MOMENT FRESH|
Pema Chödrön in Start Where You Are, page 109
| "Taking responsibility for your own actions is another way of talking about awakening bodhichitta (or, an open heart/mind), because part of taking responsibility is the quality of being able to see things very clearly. |
Another part of taking responsibility is gentleness, which goes along with not judging, not calling things right or wrong, good or bad, but looking gently and honestly at yourself.
Finally there is also the ability to keep going forward. It's been described before as letting go, but in some sense at a personal level it's that you can just keep on going; you don't get completely overwhelmed by this identity as a loser or a winner, the abuser or the abused, the good guy or the bad guy.
You just see what you do as clearly and compassionately as you can and then go on. The next moment is always fresh and open. You don't have to get frozen in an identity of any kind."
But even the best healers may feel stuck
the river is temporarily frozen == and filled with a Shani-wooden log-jam too
"death conditions " of Shani-ashtamsha = "feels like" emotional death (more like emotional purgatory) but rarely results in physical death
Discomfort = 8th-from-Chandra" comfort"
Shani-style fleshly symptoms
Normally one would experience some slow-down of physical vitality.
Expect Shani-type symptomssuch as persistent fear of punishment by"the system", age, cold, bitter, dark, dry, lame, slow, hard, low, bone, stone, stiff, strict, pinch, claw; loss of lubrication, seizure, freezing, stuckness, intractability, retardation, morbidity, repression, insufficiency, immobility, malnutrition, isolation, and resistance-resistance-resistance.
Ignorance of healers (8) is also a typical feature of Shani-ashtamsha. Often, Shani imposes isolation and lack of resources, so that during these 2.3 year periods "no one can move the flow". Even those healers who are very gifted in healing arts an deeply understand the human body-mind's energy-flow channels may find that Shani's tamasic darkness blocks their attempts to start the dried-frozen flow.
Skilled intervention from healers who might during less stressful times have a more clear understanding of the condition is often prevented for the 2.3 year period. Like a tremendous log-jam stuck in a frozen river, Chandra's healing flow is suddenly released into action once the Shani-ashtamsha is completed.
Poison, hidden causes
Older people = double-Shani
Forecast and interpretation re:
Final outcome depends significantly upon:
What is the purpose of this recurring-every-29.5-yrs Shani-ashtamsha crisis drill?
It is a wake-up call.
The Shani ashtamsha often succeeds in creating flesh-death-awareness via sustained shock and frustration with non-healing .
A miraculous opportunity = separation from negative emotions
Being incapacitated = a superb opportunity to strip down (Shani) to rock-bottom essentials in life (Shani) and discover (8) the normally masked (8) fears (Shani) which sit below the surface of consciousness until an emergency thrusts these primal fears into vivid reality
This emotionally separative crisis can be extremely liberating emotionally and spiritually, if properly understood
Shani dislikes Chandra
The Moon is the original Mother of all life on Earth. All-embracing all-consuming Mother Chandra, the Ocean of Emotion, has no enemies.
Strict, dry, unbending, material performance-based Karma Professor Shani never enjoys interacting with tolerant, flexible, fluid, unconditionally loving parental Chandra.
Chandra is not harmed by Shani's distress. In Shani ashtamsha, Shani does all the dramatic work!
The Shani-ashtamsha script =
Shani the intolerant imposer of material conditions trying to cope with a"moving target" His enemy Chandra the unconditional infinitely tolerant Mother
Shani's task = to impose strict time-space material-effect karmic law
From Shani's point of view,
The effect = generally a life environment which (for the 2.3 yrs duration of the transit) invalidates the legitimacy of one's emotions.
From Chandra's point of view, Shani the lord of Age and Death is harassing the tidal-flowing quiet vitality of Lord Soma.
Chandra will watch and wait, knowing that this too shall pass.
Chandra = the astral psycho-emotional body = does not know or respond to fixed time-space conditions.
Chandra generates very deeply rooted ancient emotional, usually at least partly subconscious, attachments to people and places of the past:
On death's doorstep - crisis - but does not die
Shani in 8th-from-Chandra seizes and freezes the cycle of self-destruction and rebirth (8), imposing dry and brittle conditions upon a bhava which is normally dynamic ( swabhava of vital Mangala) and fast-moving.
Shani very rarely kills the flesh-body during an ashtamsha transit, but it seems like death is at one's doorstep for the better part of 2.3 years.
Cold, hard Shani can use various devices to"freeze" the native into a near-death state, poised upon the verge of physical-form-change but unable to pass over into full identity with the astral body and thus unable to die and be reborn.
Sometimes Shani creates a fixed (for 2.3 yrs) intensely painful or in some way crippling (Shani) body condition, especially if Shanaicarya is transiting the radical lagna (body).
The condition appears suddenly and forcefully (8) and the native experiences an emergency.
Shani says: Resist!
Gochara Shani = the force of resistance toward whatever circumstances Shani may meet during His 30-year, 360-degree travel circuit.
The 8th-from angle = forced transformation involving a process of destruction of the outdated form and transference of the essential vital energy into a new force. , destruction and rebirth.
During Shani Ashtamsha, Shani's natural behavior of resistance becomes awkwardly juxtaposed with the emotional apprehension of reality (Chandra).
changes to the physical body (1), to the birth family or the treasuries of valuable goods and conserved knowledge (2)
Ashtamsha Shani may indicate the onset of cataclysmic change, which can occur in the Physical, Emotional, Mental and even Spiritual levels of existence.
The Crisis of death and rebirth may become acute when gochara Shani enters the 22nd dreshkhamsha [drekkana] from Chandra.
Shock, (Apparent) Loss, Transformation, and Rebirth
Ashtamsha Shani is often perceived as an *emotional* near-death experience = an emotional death followed by rejuvenation and rebirth.
Shani has 12 methods * each methods matches the requirements of the 12 bhava.
8th-from any lagna indicates the Transformative destruction of the identity of that lagna.
General emotional effects of ashtamsha Shani, related to 8th-from-Soma include transformation destruction of the emotional identity, through
Less severe effect:
Shani occupies the radical 8th-from-Chandra . = Shani ashtamsha = simultaneously, Shani transit natal Shani = "Saturn Return" (age 29-31, 57-59, 85-87)
Emotional crisis re: disease, divorce, debt
L-1+randhresha-8 Zukra/Zukra period
Ashtamsha Shani migrates into Thula lagna = physical body
catastrophic slow-motion change to the physical body
Emotional crisis re: wealth and family
Yogakaraka dharmesha-9 +karmesha-10 Shani/Shani period
Ashtamsha Shani moves into Makara rashi = dharma bhava = father, children and religion
Catastrophic change affecting the father or guru, matters of religious doctrine, and children
During ashtamsha Shani, when coordinated with a Vimshottari period of the lord of the house through which gochara Shani is traveling, the most importance piece of information to have is that, despite all of one's natural intelligence and problem-solving capabilities - despite the care and attention of others - despite the benefits of financial wealth , education, or upbringing - things are basically beyond one's control.
On the positive side, talk of self-reliance, of courage or conquest, is unlikely to have much benefit. Hidden forces are at work, which must emerge now according to the lifetime spiritual script.
On the negative side, collapse into superstitious ritual, or otherwise increasing the natural upsurge of anxiety and dread which can drive this experience, are not recommended. No matters the symptoms: ashtamsha Shani does not, except under very special circumstances, indicate physical death.
Yes, this transit can be extremely stressful. It is exhausting.
But one will nearly always live to fight another day.
Bhava of Chandra
Bhava transited by gochara Shani
natural regulator of gochara Shani bhava
of gochara Shani bhava
Shani Ashtamsha Impact = slow-motion freeze-frame of a catastrophic change in process
= slow-motion freeze-frame
of a catastrophic change in process
* gochara Shani via bhava-8
Mangala = enemy of Shani
crisis due to lack (Shani) of resources needed (Chandra) for rebirth and rejuvenation. Symptoms of premature aging caused by a subconscious terror (8) of fleshdeath.
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the occult treasuries, the banks of hidden knowledge
healing therapies that facilitate transformation of identity
rejuvenating healing modalities such as Ayurvedic panchakarma, occasionally surgery to remove tumor or other dead matter which is incompatible with the remaining still-vital cells of the living body
+ gochara Shani via bhava- 9
Guru = neutral of Shani
religious or father-guru crisis
crisis of faith
due to lack of confidence in philosophical beliefs
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the paradigm of belief
+ gochara Shani via bhava-10
swabhava of Shani
generally easier effects
crisis of leadership, respect and responsibilities
due to lack of visibility
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the professional responsibility portfolio
Despite pouring millions into his political campaign, Mr. Bush's standing amongst the electorate did not budge (Shani, stuck) until Shani entered Vrishabha in summer 2000.
+ gochara Shani via bhava- 11
swabhava of Shani
generally easier effects
crisis of economic earnings due to lack of marketplace connections
crisis of friendship due to obligations of the social network
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the community networks
+ gochara Shani via bhava- 12
Guru = neutral of Shani
crisis of prayer, dreams, sanctuary; enclosure, imprisonment or hospitalization
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the private sanctuary of imagination, dreams, sleep, clairsentience, and prayer
materialistic rigidity as spiritual guidance seems to dry up
Stiffening, rigidity, unmovable resistance, heavy traction in bhava-12 affecting sleep, meditation, and access to spiritual guidance. Sleep deprived, dreams stop, freeze-up seize-up insufficient time for bedroom life, prayer, sanctuary. Government oppressive in distant lands.
When gochara Shani enters Dhanushya rashi in January-2017 those who enjoy the many benefits of uttama-Chandra will be subject to the Shani Ashtamsha.
+ gochara Shani via bhava- 1
Mangala = enemy of Shani
Shani gochara from Chandra-6 prevents the native from changing their method, scope, or style of service ministry.
During a Shani ashtamsha via the radical lagna (8th from 6th) one can minister (6) neither more nor less, since the pressure of material obligation (Shani) remains steady while the availability of psycho-emotional nutrient does not increase. In this case, the physical body takes the hit.
Important to consider: simultaneous Vimshottari bhukti
Like all transits, Shani-ashtamsha gives much more vivid effects when it occurs simultaneously with:
physical body exhaustion crisis
due to lack of vital energy
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the physical body
Chandra-6 produces the worst pressures of Shani ashtamsha because the 8th-from-Chandra . = lagna = physical body + social identity. Against much resistance from Shani, must successfully complete a transformative mission by seizing and paralyzing the physical body.
+ gochara Shani via bhava- 2
Zukra = friend of Shani
financial crisis but
generally easier emotional effects
bhava-2 = death, saturation, end-of-cycle for matters of bhava-7
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the lineage values treasury
crisis of paralysis in the financial treasury + knowledge banks + genetics
crisis of frozen values
experience of scarcity of natural resources, Shani seems to"dry up" the family lineage
Shani gochara from Chandra-7 produces non-movement effect upon bhava-2 which produces a stiff resistance to change in the marriage union coming largely from the family of origin and their storehouse of cultural values.
+ gochara Shani via bhava- 3
Budha = friend of Shani
generally easier effects
Crisis of publication or communications technique
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the instruction, description, or message
crisis of commercial business, management, administration
Crisis of manufacturing, handcraft, arms-shoulders-hands
crisis of siblings, cousins, cohort, team, ensemble, entourage
+ gochara Shani via bhava-4
Chandra = enemy of Shani
generally more difficult
Crisis of home ownership, schooling, examination or diploma,
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the place of settlement
vehicles, transport, parents, caretaking, or homeland
crisis of defensive patriotism, defensive ethnic boundaries
due to lack of established roots
When gochara Shani enters Dhanushya rashi in January-2017, Rus-Pres 1952- First Person Vladimir Putin = Chandra in Vrishabha-9 = subject to the Ashtamsha Shani crisis in dharmasthana-9 = ideology, theory, doctrine, beliefs
+ gochara Shani via bhava-5
Surya = enemy of Shani
crisis of children + speculative games
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the creative intelligence
oppression of creativity or lack of confidence
Shock to the Expected Rhythms
Microsoft 1955- philanthropist Bill Gates * Meena-Chandra-10 + uttama- Shani-5. He was born with a permanent Shani ashtamsha. In 1983-1985 Shani's transit via Thula enforced the Shani ashtamsha in bhava-5 speculative intelligence, celebrity, games a long delay in bringing out the first edition of Windows operating system for the new appliance called "PC" personal computer.
Due to natal Shani in 8th-from-Chandra ., he is accustomed to long delays in receiving the outcome of speculative investments, so in his case the Shani ashtamsha would have felt less like a severe crisis and more like a persistent irritation.
+ gochara Shani via bhava- 6
Budha = friend of Shani
analysis crisis but
generally easier emotional effects
crisis of argumentation, the logic of disease treatment
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the ministries of service
or the reasoning of litigation becomes slow + difficult
in medicine, the disease does not explain itself
due to lack of detailed analysis of the complainers (plaintiffs)
Shani gochara from Chandra-11 prevents the native from changing their method, scope, or style of economic earnings. During a Shani ashtamsha via roga-ripu-ari bhava-6 (8th from 11th) one can earn (11) neither more nor less, since the pressure of material obligation (Shani) remains steady while the availability of psycho-emotional nutrient does not increase. In this case, the gainfulness network takes the hit.
+ gochara Shani via bhava- 7
Zukra = friend of Shani
marriage crisis but generally easier emotional effects
crisis of alliance partnership deal-brokering betrothal
due to a lack of rejuvenating movement in the negotiations and bargaining energy
stuck terms of the contract
subject to the Ashtamsha Shani crisis of trusts and contracts in the yuvatishtana; Chandra-12 = a very private person and Shani tends to bring public attention to the high-visibility bhava-7 10th-from-10th
Shani gochara 8th-from-Surya
Shani gives traction. Shani and Surya = bitter enemies. Shani is cold-dark and Surya is hot-light. Too much of either will quickly destroy the delicate human - we must have both in very special apportionment!
transformative destruction of the identity of the social ego .
Mysterious and unexpected events during activities such as gaming, political campaigns, creative efforts in performance arts, literary authorship, theatrical drama, and anything involving romance or children.
Not strongly felt unless the native is also enduring the Vimshottari bhukti of the lord of the 8th-from-Ravi.
Shani gochara 8th-from-Mangala-lagna
Mangala is the natural regulator of 8, therefore 8th-from-Mangala has a Vrizchika quality and randhra bhava = a hospitable location for matters which require the application of hidden force (emergencies, eruptions, upheavals).
transformative destruction of the identity of the warrior self , including the yang (initiating) sexuality .
Crisis of death and rebirth in the method and levels of entitlement for optimal channeling of sexual and competitive vitality.
May cause a drop in sexual or athletic opportunities,
PsychoTherapy which is targeted toward healing abuse of physical force such as violence and sexual invasion trauma may hit a stuck spot for the duration of Shani's transit through 8th-from-Kuja.
Mysterious and unexpected events during sporting competitions, hunting, sexual performance, acts of aggression, corporate take-overs, military exercise, police action, pursuit of war.
Not strongly felt unless the native is also enduring the Vimshottari bhukti of the lord of the 8th-from-Kuja.
Shani gochara 8th-from-Budha-lagna
transformative destruction of the identity of the communicative self , including sexual communication. Crisis of death and rebirth in the method and levels of entitlement for optimal channeling of planning, organizing, and conversational energy.
Mysterious and unexpected events during conversations or all varieties, maintaining (not initiating - see Kuja) sexual relationships, writing and all-media communications, short-term travel such as holiday and business trips, and relationships with siblings and co-workers. Shani traveling through 8th-from-Budha adds a depressive effect to the mental functions, with an underlying (altho likely unconscious) lurking fear of the unknown.
Not strongly felt unless the native is also enduring the Vimshottari bhukti of the lord of the 8th-from-Kumara.
Shani gochara 8th-from-Guru-lagna
transformative destruction of the identity of the wisdom self .
Mysterious and unexpected events during educational events, esp. at the university level. (The lower indoctrination level"K-12" is ruled by Soma.)
For a female, the effects may more vividly impact the (first) husband (or primary male partner).
Not strongly felt unless the native is also enduring the Vimshottari bhukti of the lord of the 8th-from-Brihaspati.
Shani gochara 8th-from-Zukra-lagna
transformative destruction of the identity of the pleasure-self .
Mysterious and unexpected events in all alliance and partnership agreements, esp. relationships with women.
For a male, the effects may more vividly impact the wife (or primary feminine partner).
Not strongly felt unless the native is also enduring the Vimshottari bhukti of the lord of the 8th-from-Zukra.
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Shani gochara 8th-from-Shani-lagna
strongest effects during a coinciding
transformative destruction of the identity of the lawful self .
Mysterious and unexpected events in regard to social conventions, customary ethical behaviors and step-wise expectations.
Crisis of death and rebirth of disappointed expectations vis-ŕ-vis fulfillment of obligations
Not strongly felt unless the native is also enduring the Vimshottari bhukti of the ruler of the 8th-from-Shani.
Bhava of gochara Shani shows the area of life where this agent causes a sudden disturbance in conventional behaviors, or where the agent will fail to meet obligations or perform expected duties - often with catastrophic results.
Shani gochara 8th-from-Rahu-lagna
transformative destruction of the identity of the desire-self .
Mysterious and unexpected events in relationships driven by subconscious hunger for pleasure and power. Mental disturbances due to chaotic internal signaling, as the native can obtain neither stability nor the satisfaction of desire.
Not strongly felt unless the native is also enduring the Vimshottari bhukti of the lord of the 8th-from-Rahu.
Shani gochara 8th-from-Ketu-lagna
transformative destruction of the identity of the witness-self .
Mysterious and unexpected events in the life, where the longing for wholeness through an ineffable Other meets sudden and shocking material resistance.
This is not a bad situation, but rather often a spiritual wake-up call during which one realizes the impossibility of attaining lasting union with anything or anyone on the non-lasting material plane.
Not strongly felt unless the native is also enduring the Vimshottari bhukti of the lord of the 8th-from-Ketu.
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