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19 years of disciplined effort toward mastery of social duties

BPHS Shani Mahadasha

BP Lama * 9 bhukti Shani Mahadasha

BP Lama * interpretation Shani Mahadasha

  1. Shani in Bhava-1
  2. Shani in bhava-2
  3. Shani in Bhava-3
  4. Shani in Bhava-4
  5. Shani in Bhava-5
  6. Shani in Bhava-6
  7. Shani in Bhava-7 * digbala
  8. Shani in Bhava-8
  9. Shani in Bhava-9
  10. Shani in Bhava-10
  11. Shani in Bhava-11
  12. Shani in Bhava-12
  1. Shani-Meza * nichha
  2. Shani-Vrizabha
  3. Shani-Mithunaya
  4. Shani-Karkata
  5. Shani in Simha
  6. Shani-Kanya
  7. Shani-Thula * uttama
  8. Shani-Vrizchika
  9. Shani-Dhanuzya
  10. Shani-Makara
  11. Shani-Kumbha * moolatrikona 0-20 Kumbha
  12. Shani-Meena

Professor Shani teaches upon the nature of material limitations

He does not harm the Will, the intellect, the soul, or the emotions.

The nice thing about Shani periods is that they are strictly material in character. Professor Shani is not concerned with matters emotional, mental, or spiritual. He is an expert in material order. Professor Shani teaches upon topics entirely material such as the laws of time and space, the social order, economic systems, and the reality of physical experience.

It is a blessing to know that Professor Shani will not tamper directly with one's mental health, emotional sensitivity, or spiritual perceptions. Shani's classroom contains many lessons and tests but these are all concerned with temporal reality only. Professor Shani is so materialistic that He does not recognize the individual will, the soul, or the presence of the Divine.

Thus, He cannot disturb these most precious parts of life. Shani tests the body, the finances, the social rank, the work schedule, and the statutory law. However, He leaves the bliss of the soul completely unscathed! In this sense Shani Mahadasha is perhaps the easiest period of all.

Worrying about Shani

There is nothing to"worry"about

Shani does not like surprises

Shani is slow

One might be worrying about the impending Shani mahadasha which may mean stepping into the duties imposed by Shani's bhava.

One may be concerned with questions such as how to remain true to yourself while external duties may cause many people to see you as simply an expression of a social role such as boss, parent, spouse, citizen, etc.

This is not worthy of worrying. When Shani mahadasha begins, that new level of responsibility will unfold in a lawful, stepwise, and orderly way. Shani is not a trouble-maker. Shani dislikes trouble, disruption, upheaval, crisis. Shani represents principles, regulations, and statutory law . Shani is orderly.

of course, Shani rules Time, therefore Shani's main technique for providing the necessary repetition of the lesson, practice, and extended study hours, is the technique of"delay". Shani does retard, prolong, and resist change. It's helpful to appreciate that Shani is a master teacher who must by His own rules impose a lengthy regime of disciplined study. Get ready to practice. Practice. Practice.

However, there is nothing to"worry"about. The curriculum has been established by your own self, during the pre-birth planning phase. Shani has prepared the lessons. It is true that there is a heavy load of homework. But, nose to the grindstone, you can do it. A good calendar, a sharp pencil, and willingness to self-correct will help any Shani period to succeed.

Profiting from a Shani period requires setting your expectations to non-urgent, non-changing, non-moving, non-inventive, non-spontaneous, non-individualized, etc. Note that none of these characteristics involve surprise, disaster, sudden eruptions of force... the environment of Shani is simply interminably slow and profoundly resistant to change.

A non-judgmental, pragmatic, politically neutral, sober, responsible, timely, mature, and realistic attitude will help any Shani period produce the most beneficial results.

Physical and Psychological Qualities of the 19 year Mahadasha

also these Shani qualities apply to any Shani bhukti, pratyantardasha, etc. - brief or extended periods of Shani. Naturally the longer periods of Shani are more impressive.

Long-lasting qualities:

  • Dry , cold (Shani dislikes heat), sober (Shani dislikes inebriation), bitter, brittle, stiff, rigid, inflexible, resistance to movement, isolation, anxiety (tightening, choking) pinched, fear of new things (Shani wants old )

  • intractability (not movement), resistance to change, reliability, orderliness,

  • scarcity , restriction, shortening, humorlessness, materialism, realism, pragmatism, social authority, intolerance for choices or diversity (Shani wants one single rule), convention, conformity to standards, hierarchy,

  • elderliness , age, maturity, seniority (Shani dislikes youth), respectability, longevity, dignity,

  • structure and infrastructure, bureaucracy, regulations and regulators, limits,

  • gravity , weight, heaviness, burdens, empty containers (Kumbha), lowness (Shani favors low places)

  • finality, death, grief, hopelessness, objectivity, inevitability, end, finitude, Time.

  • legitimacy , social class, social status, rank, levels, concern for public policy, concern for public safety, punishment and social consequences (Shani abhors disorderly acts) l

  • communalism , lowest common denominator, commonality (Shani dislikes individuality), economic systems, lawful associations (Shani forbids crime), lawful distribution of resources, social and family responsibility (not rights),

  • universe, universal systems (Kumbha), electricity, energy fields (Shani = limits of the field; Kuja = energy) local systems, ecological systems, social networks, conceptual networks, principles of investigation (principles = Shani; investigation = Kuja) scientific testing, repeatability, verifiability, proof, positivistic truth.

Shani evidences a persistent intolerance for all things Rajasic = dislike for the portfolio of Shani's enemies Surya and Mangala which includes anti-Shani behaviors such as:

  • individual genius and authorship, youth and children, literary or theatrical creativity, royalty, individual privilege, games and amusement, inefficient or materially unproductive use of Time, politics, enjoyments, Light, enlightenment, brilliance, delight, movement, dance, change, illegitimacy, innovation, creativity, flexibility, multiple options, guilt (repeating cycles), new life, rebirth, aggressiveness, competition, blood, vitality, non-material truth.


Bad-Shahi Masjid * Padshahi Masjed * in Lahore, Pakistan

Shani's Methods

  • scarcity, duty, limitations, rigidity, bitterness, cold, Time, darkness, restrictions, delay, worry, fear of consequences

Shani's Goals

  • austerity, lawfulness, dignity, discipline, modesty, reliability, humility, objectivity, neutrality, maturity, endurance

All periods of Shani, whether long or short, are designed to reinforce an anti-Surya program. Shani curtails individual expression and asserts social responsibility.

Engaged in a relentless campaign of ego-minimization, Shanaicarya can oppress Surya's bright, independent, attention-getting creativity.

  • If Surya is strong, Ravi might"fight back" with an occasional brilliant flame-spitting resurgence of creative individual entitlement. However, Shani can be expected to maintain law-and-order even during Ravi's self-assertions.

  • Even in times of individual power, there will be tangible restrictions upon the size and scope of the creative output, forced adherence to public rules, and a pinching scarcity of resources.

Having cast a dark shadow of fear upon the native's self-image, Shani teaches a series of often harsh lessons upon the reality of"fixed and permanent" laws regarding government rules, judgmental public opinion, scarcity of material resources, and social punishment as a consequence of prohibited behaviors.

Psychologically, Shani periods can produce an extremely valuable understanding of the materializing function of subconscious negative expectations . Shani governs the inventory of embedded subconscious expectations. The path of materialization during Shani periods will emphasize limitation, restriction, lack of permission, lack of confidence, fearful worry, and seeming endless delay. However, one whose introspective skills are sharp will quickly discover that

Importantly, Shani does not interrupt the flow of spiritual resource, nor does He specifically cramp the emotional vitality. His territory is material, physical, and social . Spiritual and psycho-emotional life continues unimpeded.

As the karaka for time and maturity, Shani introduces into the incarnational script a predominance of role-players who are elderly, conventional, fearful, punitive, ignorant, lawful, rigid, respectable, cold, dark, brittle, icy, realistic, materialistic, grey, bitter, burdened, intolerant, wooden, dry, stern, legalistic, commonplace, vulgar, hard-working, sturdy, steady, reduced, elegant, minimal, harsh, hard, fixed, unyielding, reliable, earthy, systematic, scientific, and judgmental.

Environmentally Shani governs the cold hard dry earth elements of wind (vata), dirt, dust, ash, wood, paper, stone, iron, coal, steel, ice, crystals, rocks, gravel, and sand.

He favors the "midnight" color-hues of sapphire blue, blue-black, dark grey tones of blue hue, and darkest purple.

Graha in 12th-from Shani: loss and dissolution of agreement

Shani periods may often be experienced as cautious and potentially fearful. The sub-periods of those four ‘12th-from'graha will produce an experience of dissolution and loss.

  • This is absolutely a good thing spiritually as by dissolving some attachments you are preparing to have a calm and austere experience of death.

  • However on the material plane where the human survival brain is programmed to accumulate and acquire material items (wealth, food, works of art, sticks and feathers to make our nests...) any type of forced, sustained material loss pattern is deeply frustrating to the brain.

  • Our present highly materialistic culture which positively celebrates the size of the accumulated heap (the modern equivalent to the buried hoards of the Vikings) makes it even harder to endure the loss of stature, dignity, and purported security that are represented by the Heap (house, car, stock portfolio, college savings account, etc.)

So even though we know from a higher spiritual point of view that dissolving attachments to people and things is a very positive step along the path to enlightenment, material and social losses are very frustrating and anxiety-generating at the lower levels of reality -- where most of us do live!

yogakaraka Shani periods favor:

  • Foundational Education (4)
  • Old Systems (all)
  • Highly structured Scientific Inquiry (5)
  • Professional Achievement (10)
  • Philosophical principles (9)
  • structured and regulated contributions to society

When Shani enjoys yogakaraka status, in addition to the expected weight of duty and responsibility,

  • Shani periods also bring professional (9-10 for Vrishabha) or scholarly (4-5 for Thula) contact with hoary old systems of social conformance such as old economies, religions and philosophies.

Systematic work and principled thinking are required, with little permission to experiment unless the hypothesis is already well proven (i.e., it is not actually a hypothesis but already a thesis). Principles of social governance demand steady attention.

One may enjoy the dignity of high social rank accorded those who bear the burden of leadership, but the cost in terms of time and resources will be significant.

Education during yogakaraka Shani periods:

Shani bandesha-4 for Thula lagna favors Foundational Education in subjects and skills which will support later expansion and development during the subsequent periods of dharmesha-9 Budha. For Thula, any Shani period is a good time to go back to school to get training in basic skills which ground a certificate or license to practice some profession, art or trade.

As vidyapathi-5 Shani also permits a degree of independent scholarship and individual interpretation of conventional customs. However Shani is a bit dicey in His role as the mantrapathi, since He naturally dislikes any sort of manifesting creativity or bright light.

To succeed in independent scholarship during periods of vidyapathi-5 Shani, one must be able to rigorously justify (Shani) any variation from conventional practice by citing more ancient (Shani) recognized authorities or more fundamental scientific principles . Charismatic intelligence (Surya) is not accepted during rule-oriented Shani periods. Approved (Shani, proof) scholarship must be tightly principled.

Shani dharmesha-9 for Vrishabha lagna may present a Challenge to craft a balanced environment that can support advances in fundamental education or skill certification (such as state exams for medical or law license). Rather Shani favors highly structured philosophical and religious teachings and the isolation of sine qua non principles in scientific and theoretical practice. Long, difficult, and intractable courses of study which have as their aim an elegantly structured dharmic understanding of life will succeed during periods of dharmesha-9 Shani.

Shani delays but He does not deny.

As the arch-enemy of Mangala, Professor Shani limits, postpones, and freezes movement . The end of Shani's period often signals a great thaw in the flow of resources. All things come to those who wait.

In terms of moral development, the enforced discipline of Shani periods tends to strengthen personal characteristics of humility, modesty, neutrality, scientific objectivity, accountability, moral steadiness, respectability, and social realism.

Shani periods impose awareness of the laws of karma (Makara, rank) and interdependence for survival (Kumbha, network).

Regardless of one's own social station at the time of onset of a Shani period, one must endure increased contact with the plight of the common man .

  • If Shani governs 10 or 7 (10th-from-10th) from lagna or from Chandra, one may acquire unprecedented responsibility for the legions of sleep-walkers who live in a state of perpetual struggle for physical survival, oppressed by punitive belief systems, yet blind to the ignorance that is the cause of their misery.

  • Shani rules-7 or Shani in bhava-7 dig-bala particularly imposes an obligation to achieve social justice under conditions of material scarcity.

Even for those who are free of the professional karma of institutional governance, Shani periods may bring recurring awareness of the presence of perpetual ignorance in the character of those in one's environment.

Everyone is doing the best they can with the knowledge they have.

During Shani periods, no matter how stressful the environment, one's personal and professional decisions must emphasize mutual respect between all those engaged in the business of working off their karma. This mandate persists despite the obvious and often egregious shortcomings in others' moral behavior.

Although empathy is a function of Chandra and thus not required by steely Professor Shani , mature recognition of the reality of core human biologically hard-wired survival fears can make Shani periods much easier to endure.

Lower Your Expectations.

It is also generally recommended to"lower your expectations " during Shani periods.

It can be helpful to recall that during Shani periods, pre-scripted agents have been assigned (in the antenatal state) specifically to mirror one's own fears and express one's own subconsciously held negative beliefs. The quicker one's expectations can be aligned with reality, the lower the stress effects.

It is possible to endure an entire Shani mahadasha and even the most challenging Shani bhukti with no anxiety whatsoever, so long as expectations are adjusted regularly in the downward direction.

Ignorance emerges in the roles of dramatis personae who play roles showing vulgarity,

Shani has one ultimate goal:. If Shani period is difficult enough, one may have a long-awaited"breakthrough" into spiritual liberation. Shani can be the most spiritually beneficial graha of all.

-- Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902)

"If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do,

we shall ere long be surprised to find

how little remains that we cannot do."

Social and Emotional impact:

No matter one 's physical age, during any Shani period one will feel in general older, more senior, more experienced, drier, more brittle, more wrinkled, more pragmatic, more conservative, more sober , harder working, more responsible, more prone to negative expectations, more limited, more constrained, and more concerned with l awfulness than most of the other people in one's environment.

One of Shani's primary enemies = Mangala is the agent of competitive dynamics and goal-directed movement. During Shani periods, unobstructed forward movement is much constrained, and progress can be accomplished only in a careful, conservative, socially approved, and step-wise manner. Competitive advantage is temporarily frozen.

  • Very little can be"won" using masculine energies of conquest or pursuit. A slow, patient, and abiding attitude, trusting in a neutral or favorable outcome even while the concrete evidence remains quite dark and negative, is always the best mental strategy during Shani periods.

Shani periods tend to constrain one into an emotional survival state. Unless Shani enjoys a highly favorable relationship to Zukra within the nativity, most luxuries are absent during Shani periods.

Shani periods are universally good for materially focused work, getting worldly things "done", and for maintaining a strict focus on social position and the achievement of material goals.

  • The work schedule is demanding. Working conditions are austere and often burdensome.

  • one is often found working two jobs: perhaps two paid jobs, or one job is parenting whilst another is a public job, or one may be managing several demanding responsibilities such as caring for children, elderly parents, an ailing spouse and still in addition holding a wage job.

  • Public servants find that the public demands much more of their time and effort; world leaders face heavy responsibilities and what often seems like a super-human time schedule of mandatory tasks.

Legitimate Government and Social Law

  • The government (hierarchical bureaucratic) and linked social networks (lateral, distributive, associative ) = Shani's two main social structures.

  • These highly regulated social structures impose particular constraints upon forward development toward personal goals. The rule of law-and-order and a a multi-layered legacy system of conservative social practices can significantly restrain forward movement toward individualistic goals (Surya, Mangala) yet Shani will fully support slow and careful development of further layers of law.

  • Naturally, Shani periods offer excellent opportunities for those in professional regulatory and law-related roles.

  • If Shani is a trine lord (= lagna of Vrishabha, Mithuna, Kanya, Thula, Makara, Kumbha) then achievement of goalswill demand considerable effort; yet one will succeed.

  • If Shani rules inauspicious bhava as measured from the janma lagna, check to see whether Shanaicarya might be a trine lord from Chandra. If Shani rules an easier house from Chandra lagna, one will receive the emotional support necessary to obtain one's goals however materially difficult that obtainment might be.

  • Shani bhukti = marriage -maker for Karkata navamsha and Simha navamsha . One should prefer an elder or more experienced spouse.

  • Shani is a Yogakaraka for Thula lagna and Vrishabha lagna. During Shani Mahadasha and well-angled bhukti periods of Shani, there will be important material and social achievements for the Thula and Vrishabha native, mainly of a professional nature. However, the amount of personal effort involved should not be trivialized.

  • During Shani periods, if Shani in located in difficult angles from the mahadasha pati such as 3rd-from-Budha or 6th-from-Rahu,

  • For the Thula and Vrizchika lagna native, Shani = bandesha-4 and Shani periods indicate successful completion of educational diplomas, acquisition of houses and buildings, obtainment of vehicles, and heavy responsibilities related to care of elderly parents.

  • During Shani periods, graha and various lagna which occupy the Shani-ruled Nakshatra come into prominence. If one has a placement of Chandra or an important lagna in Pushya, Anuradha, or Uttarabhadrapada, the portfolio of this placement will be energized for purpose of karmic repayment. One may have a feeling of"back to the drawing board" meaning that one's present strategies have failed, and one hears the clarion call to return to basic survival rules and rebuild very slowly if at all.

  • Limits

    Shani (Saturn) is all about structure, all about realism, all about working concrete relationships,

    • all about longevity in relationships, sustainability, all about lawfulness and regularity and routine.

    It will of course be necessary to respect Shani's purpose of enforcing neutral acceptance of others' limitations and imposing orderly habits in everyday life.

    You can live very well under the reign of Shani mahadasha if you are willing to obey Shani's rules!

    Transforming Ignorance into Wisdom

    Shani the Lord of Karma has one job to do: convert ignorance into wisdom.

    During Shani periods, one confronts many karmic challenges which are the result of a history of muddled or incomplete thinking. One did not have enough information at the time of the earlier error, and one must slowly (Shani) and diligently (Shani) then work (over the period of 19 years) to correct the earlier ignorance.

    • While correcting, one must refrain from blaming others and accept in full neutrality that the problems by which one is best are historic, they are karmic, and because Shani is busily converting ignorance to wisdom these problems are actually a fabulous blessing.

    • Mistakes which are corrected and transformed into knowledge are Shani's great, great gifts.

    • Once this work is completed the cycle of suffering in regard to the matter will be ended and one will have the freedom in subsequent incarnations to pursue other wisdom (and to address other karma!)

    During Shani periods it is very smart indeed to admit that one lacks the skills to resolve the situation and to pay for professional advice. Paying for credentialed advice is one of the best"converter" methods.

    • There will be several pragmatic, worldly, materially intelligent strategies available for you to slowly alleviate the chronic problems which Shani induces.

    • None of the strategies are magical or ideal. (Surya rules the ideal and Shani the Real is a bitter enemy of Surya!)

    • All of the strategies involve slow progress, small rewards, and sustained effort.

    • However, there are probably several ways to reduce your debt and improve family life as a result, which could be examined and a"lesser of two evils " route from bondage can be chosen.

    It's Shani after all, the Lord of Multiple Iterations. But Shani will stop generating the repetitions when one has accepted one's own ignorance (past mistakes) AND put some karmic effort into consciously accepting a new approach to those old problems. The effort comes usually from study and careful discussion with people who know the law (statutory law ) relevant to the situation.

    Exhaustion from Overwork

    Shani periods always follow Guru periods in the Vimshottari Dasha.

    • Typically Shani indicates the time of heavy responsibilities, sustained regulation and deprivation of any luxuries previously afforded by the lifestyle, caused by introducing children into the house. e

    • often the parents, particularly the mother, will be living two lives, chronically overworked, and feeling a scarcity of both Time (Shani) and material resources.

    • If Shani occupies the 6th, 8th, or 12th angle from the mahadasha-pati (particularly the 6th) one can expect to feel a certain enslavement to duties, lack of help from partners (6th-from = partner fails to fulfill contract) and being in generally stripped down to material basics in a state of material or psychological austerity.

    • If Shani is well-disposed Exempli gratia, swakshetra or uttama, and lord of good houses, one will possess adequate moral character to sustain through this period of exhaustion. However if Shani is weak either vis-a-vis the mahadasha-pati or by lordship, the Shani period can feel crippling.

    Separation , Austerity, Survival, and Boundaries

    Psychologically and physically, the dashas and bhuktis/antardashas of Shani are marked by the experience of Separation.

    • When Shani is well placed specific projects may indeed be advanced. Marriage, acquisition and furnishing of a home, gradual step-wise job promotions, religious initiation, and all carefully planned traditional activities may be successfully accomplished under Shani's influence.

    • However in the larger context of Shani's period which may endure for as long as 19 years (the full Vimshottari mahadasha of Shani) or as briefly as 10 months (Surya/Shani) the theme of separation and closure is guaranteed to be played out.

    • Shani rules the struggle for safety and survival . Shani induces deprivation, alienation, isolation, and privacy. When Shani features prominently in the rashi kundali one of the first impressions a Jyotishi may form of that nativity is that this native requires a large measure of privacy to complete his important work. A prominent radix Shani will impress a lifelong pattern of isolation and coldness in human relations.

    • During Shani's Vimshottari periods, while many useful acquisitions and expansions may occur in one 's life due to Shani's favorable house lordships, there will always be in addition and perhaps predominantly, The need for separation and closure in one 's most essential relationships.

    • Psychologically one feels obliged to establish firm boundaries between his own psycho-physical world and the ever-invasive needs of others. Spiritual, mental, emotional and often physical separation from others is felt as if it were - and indeed it is - a matter of basic survival.

    • Shani engages one in a competition for scarce resources. Either he has some essential value which others are trying to take from him, or others have the value which he lacks and he feels impelled to obtain.

    • Much of this struggle arises directly from the reptile brain; stimulating ancient impulses to hide and hoard; lowering trust and raising Anxiety about survival . one feels needy, as do those around him.

    • here is a subtle or not-so-subtle psychological climate of competition for scarce resources which exposes (perhaps long suppressed) fears of starvation and abandonment.


    The Shani isolation experience need not be physical to be acute. Emotional starvation and social disapproval will not kill one but he may feel the cold wind of death just as fearfully as if he had been literally abandoned by his tribe and left to starve in the wilderness.

    • The need for stronger boundaries within the most intimate and psychologically essential relationships at home and at work, need not be a victim experience.

    • If Shani or Shani's lord is strong, one may recognize a need to control and protect his own resources - emotional, physical, political - long before an actual attack.

    Professor Shani is an expert instructor on the topics of heaviness and material responsibility .

    Overall, Professor Shani periods create a sense of limitation and restriction in all matters. The limits are lawfully imposed and socially reinforced. However, generally Shani's classroom climate includes less trust and sharing; more concern with public opinion; more fear-based hoarding. However, Shani increases maturity and strengthens the structural perceptions.

    The instructional curriculum of Professor Shanaicarya demands attention to the human statutory law, acceptance of limitations, awareness of social rank and position, leadership obligations, and management of those thought-forms which produce the perceptions of scarcity, punishment, oppression, and survival fears.

    Spiritual benefit of fear and abandonment (!)

    During Shani periods one is typically forced to dig deeper within his body and mind in search of life-sustaining power. No one else can help him.

    • Ideally, one gets so"stressed out" while trying to super-humanly protect and sustain himself that he turns to the Divine in frustration and despair.

    • In this happy event, one discovers his eternal life force in the power of the Divine. His reptile brain's relentless "fight or flight" signal is quelled, and Shani's job is done!

    • The ancient karma of Abandonment and starvation -- which everyone has experienced in parallel lives -- rises up from its long-suppressed subconscious container during Shani periods. Shani periods therefore feel unusually fearful and self-protective , focused on survival basics of food, clothing, and shelter; and skillfully defending one's own supply of life-sustaining energy Against predatory others.

    • "Staying alive" whether physically, mentally, or emotionally (and sometimes spiritually) will seems to require isolation, self-reliance, and attention to basics. Ideally in this isolated state one will, in desperation, seek the Divine.

    Death vs. social/emotional separation

    Shani is a karaka for separation -- but Shani periods only give physical death when Shani is also maraka rules-2 or maraka rules-7.

    • More often, Shani requires a metaphorical death expressed through separation in core relationships. The separations may be physical but the effect is often more devastating if the one experiences a psychological"freeze out" while the partner/boss/child/ -- or other essential person -- remains nearby .

    • This kind of tribal freeze-out, or abandonment by non-recognition , commonly occurs when Shani occupies a dushthamsha angle from the mahadasha pati. The effect of being cut off from essential nourishing resources is felt acutely whether one lives in a posh Manhattan condo or deep in the steamy jungle.

    • Worst case of see-it-but-can't-get-it, is probably when Shani occupies 3rd-from-Budha, or 6th-from-Zukra, or 12th-from-Surya.

    • Shani is a survival voice which interprets ego-membrane development as a dangerous distraction from the work at hand. Shani destroys Surya-supported individual identity through destroying the supportive human relationships that flatter the ego-membrane. (Remember Surya-Shani are enemies ).

    • So, Shani is not nice to the ego-membrane - but Shani usually does not need to destroy the physical body in order to oppress the ego.

    Shani periods Compared to Ketu periods :

    Ketu Mahadasha + the bhukti periods of Ketu can give quite similar results to the description of Shani above. Isolation, self-concern, fear, survival pressure etc. are also attributes of Ketu.

    • However Shani periods produce a pulsing physical survival signal from the reptile brain. Shani periods focus attention on acquiring and defending one's hoard. Whether the need is material (food, clothing, shelter, money) or psychic (creativity, space, free time, privacy) one feels a powerful obligation to feed that need .

    • By contrast, Ketu is detached, disconnected, and apathetic. Ketu feels no survival drive. Ketu tends to accept fate, wandering aimlessly, hopeless and often deranged.

    • Shani periods are practical, materialistic, and self-concerned . Although Shani periods can be very difficult physically and emotionally, Shani periods are rarely permanently crippling. Shani strengthens the moral judgment and create a more solid foundation for better times in the future.

    • Ketu has no sense of separate self, so being cut off from other selves is rather a non-starter for Ketu. Ketu doesn't care about food, clothing, and shelter. Ketu is out of touch with the physical body. Ketu does not hear the reptile brain signal except very faintly, and usually only then if Ketu is associated with Shani.

    • Shani periods keep one focused on defending his fortress. Ketu periods typically involve wandering . Ketu periods may create a pattern of physical, emotional, or mental wandering - the energetic level at which the wandering occurs will be defined by Ketu's house, His lord, and any drishti coming to Ketu from other graha. But in general the physical wandering component as in"pilgrimage" is fairly strong, especially if Ketu is angular.

    • By contrast to Shani, Ketu is not a hoarder and Ketu knows nothing about boundaries. Ketu is open and"trusting" -- but not trusting in the sense of expecting a specific, predictable result from a defined relationship. With Shani, relationships may be highly negative as in predatory and recognition-denying, but Shani is clear and firm on this cause-and-effect relationship. Shani is a clear if negative thinker.

    Ketu is "trusting" in the sense of having no expectations either positive or negative. Any outcome is acceptable to Ketu. Unlike Shani who is specifically building toward a secure future, Ketu has no stake in the future. Ketu does not recognize Time and has no interest nor capacity to invest in the future. Nor does Ketu care about the past, nor learn from the past nor have any attachment to history or tradition (which Shani highly values).

    • Ketu's highly permeable"always open" willingness to share the food, body, and other resources with any who enquire may create either a tamasic or a sattvic effect. As always the final results of Ketu depend absolutely upon the graha who controls Ketu's rashi, along with graha who send drishti, swabhava lord, etc.

    • Ketu exemplifies what modern psychology calls "attachment deficit disorder". Ketu natives may appear to form relationships but they act like pre-verbal infants, attaching themselves to virtually any caretaker. Results of these no-expectation relationships range from serendipitous to unsavory. If Ketu is yuti Moon, this wandering and psycho-emotional permeability is a lifelong condition, much exacerbated during Ketu bhukti.

    • As a manifestation of Shri Ganesha, Ketu can provide superior spiritual results. Complete detachment from material welfare including core ambivalence toward fleshly survival can produce a great Saint.

    • At lower levels of consciousness, Ketu is associated with a lack of appropriate personal boundaries which generates a victim state : moral breakdown; utter loss of social dignity; profligacy and disrepute.

    • However at the higher levels of consciousness the Ketu native consciously chooses to abandon the energy-consuming practice of managing social boundaries, and concentrate instead on absorbing the omnipresence of the Divine.

    In sum, certain effects of Shani and Ketu will appear similar. Isolation, social disconnection, frustration and alienation in human relationships, scarce resources, and a feeling of circumstances beyond one's control, are common factors. Also, both Shani period and Ketu period can produce excellent spiritual results.

    However, the key difference is that Shani is urgently concerned with survival whereas Ketu is apathetic. As a result, Shani periods are characterized by hard work, planning, and stern self-reliance; whereas Ketu periods feature ambivalence, wandering and unexpected social relationships.

    Q: I started Shani mahadasha when I turned 35. Shani-Mesh is in the worst possible place for me, in the fifth bhava and harming my Zukra in Makar.

    The first year of the 'swabhukti' as you call it was devastating: marriage suddenly turned abusive, then divorce. My wife lied in court, and I lost custody rights for my son. I don't really expect to see him again.

    In the second year, I developed heart disease and lost most of my hair. I am tired to the point of exhaustion and extremely thin. I live in poverty due to reduced work hours and paying support for my elderly parents.

    Worst of all, I live in fear that corporate politics could cost me my job. Of course, I haven't been performing well at work with all of this stress and if they fire me it will not be a surprise.

    The only hope that keeps me going is the possibility of a second marriage. Is there any chance, with this awful Shani of mine, that I could ever love again? Could my parents arrange another marriage for me?

    Realistically, I am thin, sick, and bitter about my divorce, and starting to have financial problems too. What woman would want me? Will I be alone for the rest of my life? What is the chance of finding a second life partner?


    For a male, Second marriage prediction depends upon 2nd navamsha, 2nd radix bhava, and graha associated with Zukra.

    Your Zukra =

    • in bhava-2 in a friendly rashi

    • in the dignified 4/10 angle from lord of Makara

    • accepting drishti from that friendly Professor Shani

    = highly benevolent

    for second marriage to

    • a handsome women

    • with nice bone structure,

    • financially intelligent,

    • pleasant voice,

    • slightly conservative socially,

    • fond of nice traditional food.

    She is especially represented

    • by the uttama-Chandra in satkona-bhava.

    The Moon in bhava-6 for your Dhanuzya lagna gives her a viparita raja yoga (Harsha) suggesting wealth and luxury which emerge from circumstances of servitude and sudden forced changes, especially wealth from dealing with underclass persons via medical practice and agricultural labor.

    Shani-Mesha-5 the agent of Safe Slow Structured Scarcity has a great deal of control in marriage matters due to His drishti upon both 7 and 2 in the radix chart, as well as Shani being owner of 7th navamsha. Furthermore your Shani mahadasha obtains during period of second marriage.

    Maturity and neutrality as well as tolerance for scarcity , respect for karmic law -- laws which your own spirit chose to impose in an orderly fashion in this present incarnation. Remember none of this karma is a punishment from some outside agent! It is purposeful and indeed you chose this specific sequence as the optimal path toward your spiritual objectives in this life.

    Naturally, a strong work ethic is required in all endeavors during Shani mahadasha. Keep working and do not give up. (Anyway, Shani won't let you give up.) The goal is learning to operate with minimal material resources while maintaining a steady speed of progress on the path toward merger with the divine.

    You will indeed enjoy a second marriage and a very nice one, but during Shani periods any sort of self-drama (a behavior of Shani's enemy Surya ) = inimical to Shani's settling and maturing process.

    Over the next few bhukti periods (Shani swabhukti, Shani-Budha, and Shani-Ketu) austere and conservative Shanaicarya will slowly reveal your traditional values.

    Zukra 2 in a rashi of sober and pragmatic Shani creates a basis of consciously appreciated personal values that will be shared with your next spouse.

    Your chance is 100% ,

    ... presuming that the necessary maturity, neutrality, and scientific objectivity about human behavior are steadily in place during the early bhukti periods when your personality is being pared down to essentials.

    It is never healthy to jump into a second marriage immediately after divorce . Shani demands that you give yourself adequate recovery time to rethink and rebuild on more sustainable foundations. Once the mind has matured and settled into a pragmatic, value-neutral working routine, the second spouse will come forward (likely during your next bhukti of Zukra).

    Barbara, I want you to have an appreciation for how devastating these life circumstances have become. This is not the time for cheerful spiritual advice. Despite my education (which you rightly comment is superb, best research uni's etc.)

    I am feeling I have FAILED in my responsibilities with no chance for recovery. I suppose you could liken it to the massive collapse of western economies during the Great Depression. This is bad, bad, bad and it's going to take a long time - if it happens at all - for me to recover. Right now it's very black and self-hating. I won't sugar-coat it. Bad. Bad. Bad.

    It's IRONIC that Shani a planet of Responsibility would force one into a situation of failed responsibility and further blame the individual for failing in responsibility and cause further suffering.

    You describe Shani as being rather noble in His approach to social leadership but He has caused my hateful failure in family, work, and finance.

    I hate Him almost as much as i hate myself.

    Wow, you haven't"failed" yet! Given the advantages that you possess from your birth rank and education, it seems a bit premature to declare a total wipeout. Your Shani-Mesha-5 Mahadasha has just barely begun – you are still in the swabhukti! Therefore eight more chance to transform the ignorance into wisdom will occur. Eight more adjustments of viewpoint, eight more levels of understanding of the how-and-why which caused the present evils will be unfolding.

    One bhukti after the next reveals the reality of one's own participation in crafting the scene. Eight more insights, eight more dramatis personae will arrive to create eight more chances to accept responsibility without guilt .

    The moment that one can"see" the underlying structural mechanism (Shani) of cause-and-effect = one's own expectations , the seed-thoughts , blossoming into pre-programmed experiences AT THAT MOMENT THE KARMA IS COMPLETED.

    What has indeed happened is that Shani delivered His programmatic instruction to be afraid and run away” and that is what the native did.

    There is nothing ironic about it. It is mechanical.

    One accepted the supposedly unalterable (Shani) reality (Shani) of the fear (Shani) and acted intelligently (Shani-Mesha-5) upon this seemingly life-threatening (Mesha) fear.

    Shani-Mesha-5 produces a Mesha-5 specialized fear of responsibility toward children and a terror of punishment which parallel life trauma has embedded in the mind. The narrative of Shani-Mesha-5 repeats a loop-broadcast announcing that"punishment will befall" one who engages with children, politics, or the individualized creative intelligence.

    Shani-Mesha-5 is particularly terrified of raising a child in one's own divine image. Narrative asserts:"Oh, any child of mine will be be better off without me. I have too many limits and fears ".

    Hmm. This propaganda is self-fulfilling.

    To break the mind-trap, one needs an intervention. Jyotisha advice would be to question the inevitability (Shani) of the negative beliefs (Shani). Fear is emotional-reactive often not factually accurate.

    Although fear is a healthy survival response in genuine emergencies, when laboriously repeating and compulsive it is a sign of embedded trauma. But Shani-fear is necessary to provoke the transformation of ignorance into wisdom. Question the rhetoric of"have to","must","no choice".

    There are no victims.


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