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POTUS-31 * Served 1929-1933 * The Great Depression


  • 1929 - 1933 = 31st President of the USA
  • 1921-1928 = USA Secretary of Commerce
  • Author of 30 books
  • expert in mining and metallurgy

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Succeeded by


Married to:

Close personal friend of

born 10 days after

born 9 months after

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Herbert Clark Hoover

fleshbirth Tuesday-10-Aug-1874

fleshdeath 20-Oct-1964 (age 90)


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Lou Henry Hoover

fleshbirth Sunday-29-Mar-1874

fleshdeath 07-Jan-1944 (age 69)

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POTUS-31 * served 1929-1933 * Herbert Hoover * 1874-1964

birthdata from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover * tentatively rectified by BP Lama

charts, graphs and tables produced by Shri Jyoti Star * adapted by BP Lama

MALES

Hasta

  • Shil-Ponde. (1939). Hindu Astrology Joytisha-Shastra .p 83


BPL commentary: For Hasta nativities, the condition of Chandra considerably affects the outcome

"...clever, witty, and entertaining.

They like social contacts

  • and are particularly fond of the company of the opposite sex.

When in trouble, go to a Hasta person;

but do not try to pull the wool over their eyes,

  • as they are extremely clever

  • and will see through any deceit

they are very likable and are good company,

  • but never very attractive physically ."

Biographical events matched to the Vimshottari Dasha timeline


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Hoover age 23 Perth, Australia, in the mining fields


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Budha Mahadasha * age birth until 11.9

10-Aug-1874 fleshbirth * Budha-Zukra period

1880 decease of Father * Budha-Rahu period

late winter 1884 = decease of Mother * Budha-Shani chidradasha period * Shani rules maraka 7th-from-Chandra


Ketu Mahadasha * age 11.9 until 18.9

period of wandering; living with various relatives, performing various jobs


Zukra Mahadasha * age 18.9 until 28.9

1895 bachelor's diploma in geology, from the newly established Stanford University College * Zukra-Zukra swabhukti * Zukra rules 4th-from-Chandra

1897 travels to Australia for mining work, involving harsh conditions and high remuneration * Zukra-Surya period * Surya rules 12-foreign sojourns

10-Feb-1899 marriage to POTUS-31-pair Girl Scouts 1874-1944 Lou Henry Hoover * Zukra-Chandra period * Chandra rules navamsha-1 * samchara R-K Dhanuzya-Mithunaya * contact navamsha R-K

1901 elected partner in Berwicke Moering Co. * Zukra-Chandra period * Chandra rules 11-marketplace revenues

04-Aug-1903 Child-1 Herbert Jr. * Zukra-Rahu period

1908 independent global mining consultant, specialist in financial and technical rescue of failing mines * Zukra-Shani period * Shani-5 rules 5-6 and from Chandra 7-8

1909 published the most popular of his 30 books, De Re Metallica * literally Of Things Metallic translated as Principles of Mining, It became the leading university metals-mining textbook for several generations afterward. Most of the work probably done by his translator wife Lou Henry Hoover * Zukra-Shani period * Shani-swakshetra n 3rd-from-3rd


Surya Mahadasha * age 38.9 until 44.9


Chandra Mahadasha * age 44.9 until 54.9

Mar-1921 until Aug-1928 * US Secretary of Commerce * Chandra-Mangala period * Mangala-11 rules 3-administration

  • due partly to the exceptional reticence of POTUS-30 Price of Freedom 1872-1933 Calvin Coolidge, Mr. Hoover becomes "the most visible man in Government"

Tues-06-Nov-1928 wins election to POTUS-31 * Mangala-Zukra period * Zukra rules 9-elections + Zukra rules 11th-from-Chandra gains


Mangala Mahadasha * age 54.9 until 61.9

Mangala ruler of 3/8 can be a notoriously challenging graha for Kanya nativities

29-Oct-1929 Black Tuesday stock market crash begins The Great Depression* Mangala-Mangala swabhukti * Mangala rules 8 + 8th-from-8th

Tues-08-Nov-1932 dramatically loses bid for re-election in a landslide vote favoring Hoover's ideological opponent POTUS-32 Fireside Chats 1882-1945 Franklin D. Roosevelt * Mangala-Shani period * Shani rules 5- elections, 6-conflict * ALSO gochara Shani return to 5 ++ gochara Rahu return to 8

1934 publication The Challenge to Liberty * Mangala-Zukra period * Zukra rules 11-goals, economic systems


Rahu Mahadasha * age 61.9 until 79.9

1942 published America s First Crusade * Rahu-Shani period * Shani rules 5- 3rd-from-3rd

07-Jan-1944 fleshdeath of his wife, Lou Henry Hoover (Herbert's age 70) * Rahu-Shani period * Shani rules 2nd-from-7th-from Chandra


Guru Mahadasha * age 79.9 until decease

20-Oct-1964 fleshdeath (age 90) * Guru-Zukra period * Zukra maraka rules-2

Distinctive features of the Nativity:


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Surya * pitrikaraka

the father of POTUS-31 Challenge to Liberty 1874-1964 Herbert Hoover was a farmer (Karkata) and a blacksmith (Surya-yuti-Budha, smith)

Surya-mutual aspect to Shani

Surya super-strong in Karkata-11-economy yet constrained by an almost equally strong Shani-Makara-7 = legal limits, governance, bureaucracy

Surya occupies Karkata-11 and Budha-yuti-Surya and Surya-yuti-Mangala and Surya-yuti-Chandra. There is a tremendous focus (Surya) upon economic systems regulated by the mechanics of distribution and associative linkages.

Professor Surya accepts the elegantly structuring, disciplining, conventionalizing 7th drishti from Surya's arch-enemy Professor Shani, and Shani occupies Surya's swabhava-5. Surya provides many benefits to the overall nativity; The solar rays are powerful emitting from Karkata. ashtagata-dosha Mangala suffers weakness caused by solar burningly brilliant, egocentric Surya.


Chandra * matrikaraka

Intensive cluster of graha in 11 focuses the nativity upon distribution systems

Chandra Mahadasha * age 44.9 until 54.9 (years 1919-1929)

Due partly to the extreme reticence of a grieving and dysfunctional POTUS-30 Price of Freedom 1872-1933 Calvin Coolidge, Mr. Hoover becomes "the most visible man in Government"

Mar-1921 until Aug-1928 * US Secretary of Commerce. Newspaper wags referred to Hoover as Secy of Commerce and Assistant Secy of Everything Else.

Nov-1929 elected POTUS-31. A massive landslide win. Perceived as the very icon of farm values, good management and moral strength Hoover started office in March, 1929.

In a time of luxury, wealth, and notorious lifestyle excess of the 'rentier' class, Hoover was elected on a platform of reducing government waste. The political evangelists proclaimed his his proven ability to handle large-scale life sustenance. Having brought food clothing and shelter (Chandra) to Europeans devastated by WorldWar-1, and operated several highly profitable international businesses, Hoover seemed (Chandra, intuitions) able to fix America's poverty problems.

Chandra-Karkata is patriotic and parental in bhava-11. Yet the personal attachment to security and comfort may be constrained by regulating, contract-bound Makara Shani's overarching concern for the social law and social order. Shan-Kumbha-7 represents Hoover's primary advisers, and his remarkable wife, who were systems thinkers (Kumbha) but also exceptionally conservative in their life perspective. Shani represents the slogan if it ain't broke, don't fix it. (The problems occur when the Shani-eye cannot perceive that the system is, indeed, broke.)


Kuja * bhratru-karaka * virya-karaka

Pushya-Mangala-mutual aspect to enemy Shravana-Shani

Mangala ruler of 8 and 8th-from-8 is a notoriously challenging agent for the Kanya nativity. Hoover's Kuja is not only nichha, but also Kuja is paired with hostile Budha.

Kuja is also suffering the ashtagata-dosha so that Kuja's outgoing energy rays are crippled by the self-righteous forces of politics and drama (burned by Surya).

Before 1929, Hoover was called The Great Engineer. His reputation, crafted by political spinners but also based in a solid record of measurable achievements, was framed as a career of bold innovation and exploration (Mangala) mixed with business skill (Budha) patriotism (Chandra) and alpha-male leadership (Surya).

He was an iconic, socially admired figure representing the very best of his citizen class: scientifically educated, financially successful, and dedicated to better government through application of tested, innovative processes.

At his age 56, Mangala-ruled gochara Rahu transited into Meza-8, signaling the Rahu-Return craving for emergencies and sudden change of identity.

The change was sudden and bitter.

Hoover's Mangala Mahadasha 1929-1936 was devastating to his career and public reputation. As gochara Shani moved into Makara-5 in April-1931 (Shani-5 providing stiff resistance to political charm) the nation went from boom to bust almost overnight via The great stock market crash = October 1929

Folks were overcome with despair; and Hooverville slums full of destitute unemployed arose near every town and city. Double-powered via the transit, Shani sent a stop-action drishti into Mangala-11 economic systems. Hoover did nothing.

Delayed Action

The markets swung up and down, recovering somewhat in early 1930 only to crash again, with worldwide financial depression evident by the lowest part of the collapse in June 1932

Hoover clung (Azlesa Chandra) to principle rather than moving quickly to compassionate action. When fast intervention was needed, Hoover dallied in ideological pedantry -- believing in the free market theory that predicted - falsely - that the economy would naturally right itself. Mangala-yuti-Budha and Budha rules 9th-from-Chandra emotionally cherished paradigm of belief.

In the eyes of many, Hoover bore personal responsibility for the spiraling economic (11) crisis of the Great Depression and the colossal scale of misery that it brought. He was blamed and accused.

Hoover responded to the scapegoating with a seven-year volley of vitriolic attacks upon the policies and character of POTUS-32 Fireside Chats 1882-1945 Franklin D. Roosevelt and his New Deal safety-net program. Rather than admit the scope of the problem and suggest solutions, Hoover criticized, complained, and defended his actions while aggressively defaming the aid programs as socialist and communist in motive. He was ostracized from government for seven years.

Contrariwise nichha-Kuja rules Mix-Master Rahu-8 and broadcast 8th-from-8

A man of striking organizational ability who could have been an elite leader during the economic recovery deployment and subsequent buildup to WW-2, Hoover became a man-without-portfolio in the USA government during 1929-1936. He was granted no authority. When invited to advise working committees, he refused.

Instead, under influence of the nichha-combust-randhresha Kuja, Hoover traveled to Germany independently, socialized with Germany-Nazi 1889-1945 Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler and his colleagues, and broadcast forceful radio speeches claiming that the Nazi regime and the Stalinist regime should fight it out between themselves. USA intervention in Europe's problem (including the holocaust atrocities) was in Hoover's view unjustified. Any USA alliance with Russ-Soviet 1878-1953 Man-of-Steel Josef Stalin would open the floodgates, splling the demonic horrors of anti-democratic communism throughout the world.

Considered a pariah by all but a few ideological devotees, Hoover had minimal subscribers during his Mangala Mahadasha (age 56-62). However his anti-Stalinism crusade was better supported during his Rahu Mahadasha. By the onset of Guru Mahadasha, his public image as a defender of the American Way of Life (Chandra rules Hasta) had been rehabilitated


Budha * bandhava-karaka * zisya-karaka

Budha-mutual aspect to Shani

Kanya-lagna = 3rd-from-Chandra and 3rd-from Budha. Hoover was a master manager, skilled in book-writing, business planning, team-work, meetings, and frequent travels

journalism, historical and technical writings. Hoover published more than 30 books.

Hoover was a genius of logistics. He could and did efficiently move billions of tonnes of food, tens of thousands of low-wage workers, and countless shipments of mining materials around the world.


Guru * dhavakaraka

The Great Engineer was a large-systems thinker, planner, operationalizer

Guru in 3rd-from-Chandra writing

Guru rogesha-6 from Karkata Chandra signals emotional conflict


Zukra * kalatra-karaka * svadhu-karaka

Zukra-1

Brihaspati-yuti-Zukra* nichha

co-authored with his capable wife Lou Hoover wrote a standard academic-professional text on mining = Brihaspati-yuti-Zukra* nichha = Kanya-lagna = 3rd-from-Budha

nichha Zukra suffers from debilitation and predicts large-scale (yuti Guru) problems (Kanya) with wealth-treasuries in the forms of banking (2) and ideology (9). Hoover faced a tremendous challenge of the onset of the Great Depression during his administration. He seemed incapable to admit the huge scope (Guru) of the poverty and debt Guru-Kanya in the context of widespread (Guru) financial disaster Zukra-Kanya.


Shani * duro-karaka * jara-karaka

Shani in Makara

mutual aspect between Shani-5-Makara and Surya-Chandra-Mangala-Budha-11

political outsider, a businessman-engineer not a politician

Writing and Publication

Shani strong ruler of 3rd-from-3rd. Herbert Hoover wrote and published dozens of books in policy policy, governance, economics and mining. A few are still used in college courses today. Mrs. Lou Henry Hoover was a capable writer and translator who likely did most of the work on Hoover's earlier books. Shani in 7th-from-Chandra.


Rahu * rajyalobha-karaka * picchala-karaka (slippery)


Ketu * kavandha-karaka

archives.gov/publications/prologue/2004/summer/hoover-1.html

"Usually cast as a President defined by his failure to contain the Great Depression, Hoover's story is far more complex and more interesting.

To begin with, Hoover was an activist reformer, albeit one without the political skills needed to sell himself and his programs to Congress and the public.

A shy man, he insisted on keeping much of his life and good deeds out of the public eye. Only in politics is this a character flaw, yet it prevented those around Hoover from portraying him as a compassionate leader, or warding off portrayals of him as a cold, uncaring figure responsible for nearly everything that was going wrong in the American economy.

As a result, Hoover's presidency remains largely an untold story.

It began when Calvin Coolidge chose not to run for a second term in 1928. Hoover, then secretary of commerce (and joked Washington wags, "assistant secretary of everything else") made no secret of his interest in succeeding Coolidge.

Few men seemed so prepared for the nation's highest office.

After all, he had fed Belgium, run the U.S. Food Administration for Woodrow Wilson, revolutionized the Department of Commerce, and ministered to victims of the Mississippi River flood.

More realistic than Woodrow Wilson, more respectable than Warren Harding, more imaginative than Calvin Coolidge, Hoover appeared an ideal candidate.

Few Americans asked whether the Great Engineer had a political temperament."

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Lou Henry Hoover

FEMALE

Punarvasu

  • Shil-Ponde. (1939). Hindu Astrology Joytisha-Shastra. p 93.


BPL commentary: the condition of Guru will considerably affect the outcome

"... will be successful in everything she undertakes.

If she elects to have a career of her own,

  • she will become very well known and highly respected.

If she marries,

  • she will have a husband and children who adore her

  • and her domestic life will be most happy .

Her house will be orderly and well kept,

  • as she is very particular and discriminating,

  • and insists on beautiful and harmonious surroundings for herself and family.

Her health is good

  • except that she will suffer from gastric complaints

  • and must be careful in her diet."

Biographical events matched to the Vimshottari Dasha timeline

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Lou Henry Hoover * Whitehouse Photo 10-Sept-1929

  • her age 55
  • 1 month before Black Tuesday
  • USA Civil Rights 1929-1968 Rev. Martin Luther King was a 5-month-old baby

Ketu Mahadasha * age birth until 9-months

Sunday-29-Mar-1874 fleshbirth * Ketu-Budha period


Zukra Mahadasha * age 0.9 until 20.9


Surya Mahadasha * age 20.9 until 26.9

1899 bachelors degree in Geology from Stanford University College * Surya-Budha period * Budha diploma

10-Feb-1899 marriage to POTUS-31 Challenge to Liberty 1874-1964 Herbert Hoover * Surya-Budha period * Budha rules navamsha-1 * * samchara R-K Dhanuzya-Mithunaya * contact navamsha-1


Chandra Mahadasha * age 26.9 until 36.9

04-Aug-1903 Child-1 Herbert Jr. * Chandra-Rahu period


Mangala Mahadasha * age 36.9 until 43.9


Rahu Mahadasha * age 43.9 until 61.9

24-June-1927 * decease of Mother * Rahu-Budha period * Budha rules 2nd-from-Chandra

21-July-1928 * decease of Father * Rahu-Budha period * Budha rules 7th-from-Surya

06-Nov-1928 * husband elected POTUS-31 * Rahu-Ketu period * Ketu-5 elections

29-Oct-1929 * devastating financial collapse of USA Stock Market * Rahu-Zukra period * Zukra rules 5-gambling 12-disintegration

08-Nov-1932 * husband loses re-election to POTUS-31 * Rahu-Surya period * Surya rules 12th-from4 house shift (must leave Whitehouse)


Guru Mahadasha * age 61.9 until decease

07-Jan-1944 (age 69) fleshdeath via heart-attack * Guru-Ketu period

Salient Features of the Nativity
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10-Feb-1899 Lou Henry and Herbert Hoover marriage at the home of her parents, in Monterey California. She was 25 and he was 24.


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Botticelli's Madonna, c. 1460

Lou Henry Hoover, photographed by Edward Steichen for the 11-May-1929 cover of VOGUE magazine. Her age 55, Shani Return. Her husband's POTUS-31 job had just started in March-1929.

Surya * pitrikaraka


Chandra * matrikaraka


Kuja * bhratru-karaka * virya-karaka


Budha * bandhava-karaka * zisya-karaka


Guru * dhavakaraka * bahuta-karaka


Zukra * svadhu-karaka * kalatra-karaka


Shani * duro-karaka * jara-karaka


Rahu * rajyalobha-karaka * picchala-karaka (slippery)

Mangala-yuti-Rahu

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Generally a graha which rules two bhava will yield the default stronger effects for the bhava of His mulatrikona rashi. Unless there are graha located in bhava-9, Professor Guru's effects may be stronger for bhava-6 Dhanushya.

Like any graha that rules bhava-6 Brihaspati can contribute to marital arguments. Guru can produce permissiveness in regard to breaking or ignore contracts. In particular Guru-Kanya can cheerfully ignore the exploitive imbalance-seeking-a-remedy in the environment and fail to pursue fair treatment that supports mutual well-being. Hoover essentially ignored the suffering of the masses and blamed the victim Zukra-Kanya insinuating that Americans were weak and complaining.

Brihaspati-yuti-Zukra nichha is also problematic for relationships with women. Yet Guru-Zukra are holding excellent positions in navamsha-4 Meena suggesting that life-partner-1 is a person of artistic and spiritual character who may be deeply forgiving of the male native's additional interests.


Ketu in bhava-4 tends to dissolve the roots of the childhood home and keep the person away from home as an adult. Hoover's parents died during his childhood and he wandered through the homes of relatives. As an adult he was a peripatetic figure.

Because Rahu-10 is strong and effect due to Rahu's well supported angles re: Mangala the rashi-pathi and Shani the swabhava ruler, Rahu is quite helpful for purpose of leadership and public responsibility. Notably, Hoover demonstrated dramatic and much-praised success for his "can-do" (Mesha doing, doer) innovative and dynamic approach to feeding the war victims (Mangala-Karkata nichha-bhanga yogakaraka * feeding, sheltering, parentalism, protection).

However he failed miserably in the domestic effort. In fact, he seemed to lack (Ketu) a fundamental (4) understanding of resident American culture. Hoover made his fortune outside the US where he was a unique and fascinating figure. Likely he was more familiar with the "ex-pat" artificially dramatized "trickster" version of the American ex-pat engineer and explorer (Kuja). His own people rather bewildered him.


Herbert Hooverwas a devout Quaker in private practice and a vigorous exponent of Quaker principles in public life. Hoover worked most days of his life from morning until night. His primary expression of Quaker belief was the sober lifestyle which undergirded his extraordinary work ethic.

  • during the USA Great Depression, Shani-9 caused his downfall in the USA presidency. Rigid refusal to change his doctrinaire free-market ideology (Shani-Vrizabha = cintamani * mani * money -policies) forced him into the role of the dogmatic preacher. Whilst economic collapse deepened and desperate poverty spread throughout the nation on an unprecedented scale, Hoover continued to preach the message of saving and self-reliance. Loud calls for government safety-net assistance to the growing underclass were ignored; hobo camps called Hoovervilles showed the contempt Americans felt for their uncaring president.

  • Hoover was wiped out by the landslide victory of POTUS-32 Fireside Chats 1882-1945 Franklin D. Roosevelt . True to FDR's Shani-8, FDR immediately passed emergency laws Shani-8 using pooled funds (8, tax monies) to structure government work programs (Shani) for millions.

Hoover was a prolific author of engineering books, and considered a high academic authority in that emerging scientific field.

  • Speaking was hard for Hoover, and being before a crowd was an ordeal.
  • He seemed stiff and monotonous before big crowds, and he was shy with strangers.

Famous for his lifelong commitment to children. = vidyapathi-5 nichha-bhanga yogakaraka Mangala in lagna

strength in lagna

  • Exceptionally wealthy via speculative investments in minerals and mining, specialist in famine avoidance and food distribution challenges.

  • Traveled constantly and extensively.

  • Mines and metallurgy; food and farming; government efficiency and volunteer organizations; Quaker morality (nichha-Zukra, quietude).

Hoover was a brilliant man, a renowned author, and a highly accomplished business entrepreneur. Nevertheless he completely lost the public confidence . His economic policies -- based on elaborate principled arguments for the corrective effects of free markets -- did not adapt to the new fact that the economy did not self-correct during the Great Depression.

Hated large inheritances.

One particular reflection of his early life came in his relief efforts during the era of World War I: helpless, bereaved, abandoned people could count on his aid, though others had not always aided him. Hoover's later dislike of large inheritances also suggests the experience of being left on his own.

  • Would not join Stanford fraternities nor allow his sons to join any.
  • A great deal of ocean travel.
  • Extremely good at mining ventures , finding great supplies of mineral resource -- everything from gold and precious stones to coal and oil.
  • Ruler of the 10th navamsha = very strong Budha in bhava-3 communications

Help of his elder brother Theodore throughout life especially in developing the zinc recovery process.

  • Vriddhipathi-11 from Chandra = Zukra = lagna = close emotional relationship and fleshly resemblance between Hoover and his elder brother.
  • Vriddhipathi-11 from lagna = social-material relationship = Guru. Guru-yuti-Zukra = very close, expansive, abundant (but both men would have had trouble with women due to the nichha-Zukra.)

Became a very financially privileged man, starting with the barter = move out of the Chinese coal company rights for move into a partnership in the London co.

By 1914, Hoover, operating on his own since 1907, had important investments on every continent and offices in San Francisco, London, Saint Petersburg, and Mandalay. Once he remarked that if a man "has not made a million dollars by the time he is forty he is not worth much."

Hoover was worth about $4 million at the beginning of World War I. Under both POTUS-29 Teapot Dome 1865-1923 Warren G. Harding and POTUS-30 Price of Freedom 1872-1933 Calvin Coolidge , Herbert Hoover became the most visible man in government.

public negative perception during his presidency: unsmiling square face and starched collars; general apathy and lack of connection toward the very poor, exploited classes, suffering

  • Ambivalence, apathy (Ketu-6) toward medicine, war, conflict, poverty crime (Hoovervilles) scattered attention to the very poor and exploited
  • Ambition (Rahu-12) to be recognized as an important figure in distant lands or a master of clandestine operations (cooperative of USA intelligence agencies)