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James Madison quote that is carved into marble at the Library of Congress :

  • "A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both.

  • Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."



POTUS-04 * 1809-1817

philosopher of law, writer of US Constitution, legislator, emissary, diplomat

Authored 29 of the 85 Federalist Papers

Founding Father

James Madison

Tuesday-16-March-1751 Earthbody-Entry

28-June-1836 Earthbody-Exit (age 85)



POTUS-04-partner * 1809-1817

Dolley Payne Madison

Earthbody-Entry Friday-20-May-1768

12-July-1849 Earthbody-Exit (age 81)

nativity of Dolley Madison


Author of first draft of USA Constitution * POTUS-04 from 1809 until 1817 * James Madison * 1751-1836

birth data from * tentatively rectified by BP Lama

charts, graphs and tables produced by Shri Jyoti Star * adapted by BP Lama

Rising Nakshatra

Masculine Nativities

Zravana * Hari

BPL commentary:

For nativities of Zra-vana * The Listener, the condition of reflective, sheltering, undulating, rhythmic, routinized, culturally rooted, boundary-defending, security-seeking, nourishing, parental, matrikaraka Chandra considerably affects the outcome.

Mother-figures, protectors, guardians, gardeners, farmers, fisher-folk, caretakers, foundation-builders, police, schoolteachers, parents, providers of nourishment , and defenders of the root culture, may be especially influential.

Guided by instructors from the civilizations of Aquila

QUOTATION from: Shil-Ponde(1939). Hindu Astrology Joytisha-Shastra. p 86.

"An excellent character, the keynote of which is kind heartedness and generosity,

  • particularly to those less fortunate than himself.

This man will always be able to accumulate the good things of life

  • without injuring anyone else to do so.

He will be disposed to share his belongings with the poor and needy.

  • The extent of his activities in this direction,

  • will of course depend on his station in life.

Many social workers and philanthropists have Shravana rising.

He will also be very religious

  • and will participate in church activities

  • if his environment permits."

Biographical data matched to Vimshottari Dasha periods

Earthbody-Entry 16-Mar-1751 * fleshdeath 28-Jun-1836

Guru Mahadasha

  • Guru-4 parivartamsha Mangala-12

16-March-1751 Earthbody-Entry * Guru-Shani period * Shani atmakaraka lagnesha

Shani mahadasha * Shani-yuti-Rahu

23-Sept-1771 diploma BA College of New Jersey * Shani-Zukra period

Budha Mahadasha

15-Sept-1794 Marriage to the widow Dolley Payne (James age 43) * Budha-Rahu period

1797 retired from politics after eight years' service in the House of Representatives * Budha-Shani period * chidra-dasha

Ketu Mahadasha

1800 Jefferson the newly elected POTUS-03 asks Madison to serve as new Secretary of State. Madison accepts * Ketu-Zukra * Zukra yogakaraka 5-10

27-Feb-1801 decease of Father Jas. Madison Sr.* Ketu-Zukra period * Zukra maraka rules-2 from pitri-9

Zukra Mahadasha * Zukra-yuti-Surya

Dec-1808 elected POTUS-04 (served 4-Mar-1809 until 3-Mar-1817) * Zukra-Zukra swabhukti * yogakaraka Zukra vidyapathi-5 politics karmesha-10 governance

Surya Mahadasha * Zukra-yuti-Surya

11-Feb-1829 decease of Mother Nelly Rose Madison (James' age 77) * Surya-Guru period * Guru ruler-of-12 from 4

Chandra Mahadasha * Vishaka-Chandra

28-June-1836 Earthbody-Exit (age 85) * Chandra-Guru period

Prominent Features of the Nativity

Surya * pitrikaraka

Chandra * matrikaraka * garha-karaka

James Madison's mother lived to be nearly 100 years old. She died when James was 77. Shani-yuti-Rahu in 8th-from-4th suggests an exceptionally long life for mom.


7th from Chandra-10 in the nativity of James Madison = the foundationally supportive householding and home-loving bhava-4 containing the expansive and inclusive Mesha-Guru-4 in greatly empowering parivartamsha yoga with Mangala-12 This yoga indicates that Dolley as well as James were covert diplomats arranging deals and liaisons in the new country. Their skills were essential at a time when everyone was afraid of Britain's military ability to smash the new nation and punish its colonial people. There was much to be discussed behind closed doors.

Kuja * bhratru-karaka * virya-karaka

Budha * bandhava-karaka * zisya-karaka

Guru * dhavakaraka * bahuta-karaka

Zukra * svadhu-karaka * kalatra-karaka

Shani * duro-karaka * jara-karaka

Rahu * rajyalobha-karaka * picchala-karaka (slippery)

Ketu * kavandha-karaka * chidra-karaka

James Madison stood five-feet, four-inches tall. Contrast to George Washington who stood over six-feet tall.

Soft-spoken and carefully reasoning Madison was the closest adviser and personal friend to the adventurous and often controversial POTUS-03 Declaration of Independence 1743-1826 Thomas Jefferson over decades of friendship between the two leaders.

James Madison was a writer of renown. Historians like to chuckle over the memory that Madison famously "wrote George Washington's inaugural address, the House of Representatives 'congratulatory reply to the address, and Washington's response to the House's warm reply."

An Enlightenment era legal writer who was brilliantly clear and precise yet possessed of an extraordinary breadth of vision, Madison wrote the first draft of the USA Constitution. Madison wrote 29 of the 85 Federalist Papers (foundational commentaries). Madison sponsored the United States Bill of Rights. Surya-3 with vidyapathi-5 Zukra L-3-from-3 in 3 shows James Madison's remarkable ability as a writer.

He was born the eldest of 12 children, of which seven survived to adulthood. Madison attended a Virginia boarding school where he was educated in the Classics, and where his lifetime love of reading was established. Madison's father was a wealthy, slave-owning Virginia planter who arranged private tutoring for his sickly son when James was forced to leave the boarding school due to illness.

Various stress-induced illnesses including seizures dogged Madison throughout his long and productive life. Shani-yuti-Rahu forming Shapati Yoga occupies bhava-6, an excellent placement for both Shani and Rahu. Despite a delicate childhood and an adulthood punctuated by animosities and illnesses, Madison died age 85.

A bachelor until age 43 on 15-Sept-1794 Budha-Rahu period James Madison married the 26-year-old widow Dolley Payne and adopted Dolley's toddler son.

Dolley became a legendary figure in Whitehouse communications and entertaining Zukra-yuti-Surya-3 providing gracious social support for her husband's career and facilitating personal relationships between members of the first generation of USA leaders.

Before James Madison was president, Dolley also served James' best friend who was the widowed POTUS-03 Declaration of Independence 1743-1826 Thomas Jefferson as a White House hostess. Dolley served in lieu of Jefferson's true partner Sally Hemings who was a socially stigmatized quadroon. (Sally was the enslaved sister of Jefferson's deceased wife Martha).

Madison was born into landed wealth and well-educated. He inherited a valuable plantation from his father. However the plantation was mismanaged in his absence while he fulfilled unpaid governance duties, and at the end of his life he saw poverty.

Madison had no children of his own but he raised Dolley's son Ketu-in bhava-5. This son became an alcoholic and a compulsive gambler Shani-Rahu-11 5th-from-7th indicates the stepson. Bailing out Dolley's son from jail and from debts was a frequent and expensive practice for Madison.

James Madison's lovely yogakaraka vidyapathi-5 + karmesha-10 uttama-Zukra in bhava-3 indicates that he and Dolley were introduced in the parlor (talking room) of a Philadelphia home * Zukra bhratrupathi-3 from 3. Also Zukra conjoins hisrandhresha-8 Surya, showing his wife's widowed status distinctive rosacea (a potential feature of Surya-yuti-Zukra).

Uttama-Zukra yogakaraka from the Makara lagna. As indicated by Madison's prominent uttama-Zukra-Meena-3, lovely Dolley with her legendary social grace and entertaining skills was exceptionally instrumental in shaping and supporting James Madison's political career.


Like all of the Southern leaders of the new-born United States of America, James Madison was a materially wealthy man whose family had the resources to grant him an elite education and whose inherited income provided more than sufficiently for himself and his family. (Exceptions include Northerners POTUS-02 Thoughts on Government 1735-1826 John Adams and Abigail Adams and their son POTUS-06 American System 1767-1868 John Quincy Adams and Louisa Johnson Adams who earned primarily from their government salaries and law businesses.)

Mangala controls the environment of bhava-11 marketplace economy wherein ambitious Rahu-11 is constrained by lawful Shani-11. The lawfulness pressure from Shani is not a comfortable constraint for privilege-seeking Rahu but this difficult pair Shani-yuti-Rahu nevertheless produces a benefit of out-smarting (clever Rahu) and out-lasting (enduring Shani) one's "friends". Aside from Jefferson, James Madison had few close friends due to restrictions of Shani-11. Mainly he consulted with Dolley and with his extremely long-lived mother.


Instrumentalist and opportunist Professor Rahu yuti dhanapati-2 Shani-11 certainly indicates wealth, and Madison's independent inherited wealth was the precondition that allowed him to dedicate his time and attention to codifying and clarifying the structure of the newborn nation that was based on Enlightenment principles, drawing its precedents from British cultural foundations but indeed unlike any other country in existence. It had to be thought through. Madison did the lion's share of the thinking while Jefferson did most of the promoting. They were a team

However Shani even though a provider of material wealth has a certain downside due to His entanglement with opportunistic Rahu.

Madison's father earned lavishly Surya-yuti-uttama-Zukra from slave-operated agriculture. Aided by Vishaka-Chandra which has a tolerance for extreme shakti, Madison accepted the injustice of slavery as a bitter fact of agricultural economics in the revolutionary new nation. He was not an anti-slavery abolitionist like his colleague POTUS-06 American System 1767-1868 John Quincy Adams.


Political socialite and partner of POTUS-04 * Dolley Payne Madison * 1768 - 1849

birth data from * tentatively rectified by BP Lama

charts, graphs and tables produced by Shri Jyoti Star * adapted by BP Lama

Rising Nakshatra

Feminine Nativities

Punarvasu * Aditya

BPL commentary:

high forehead. Most Punavasu nativities are higher dimensional Seva-wanderers.

For Punarvasu natives, the condition of prosperous, preaching, inclusive, broad-scope, philosophical, humanistic Guru may considerably affect the outcome.

Teachers, preachers, professors, patrons, ideologues, theorists, proselytes, philosophers, wizards, druids, and paradigms of belief may be especially influential.

Guidance from the Twin Gardeners called Castor-and-Pollux.

QUOTATION from Shil-Ponde (1939) Hindu Astrology Joytisha-Shastra . p 93

"... will be successful in everything she undertakes.

If she elects to have a career of her own,

  • she will become very well known and highly respected.

If she marries,

  • she will have a husband and children who adore her

  • and her domestic life will be most happy .

Her house will be orderly and well kept,

  • as she is very particular and discriminating,

  • and insists on beautiful and harmonious surroundings for herself and family.

Her health is good

  • except that she will suffer from gastric complaints

  • and must be careful in her diet."

Biographical data matched to Vimshottari Dasha periods



Dolley Payne Madison painted by Rembrandt Peale in 1817 (her age 49)

Shani mahadasha * Shani-yuti-Ketu

20-May-1768 Earthbody-Entry * Shani-Shani period

Budha Mahadasha

07-Jan-1790 marriage-1 to lawyer John Todd (Dolley's age 21) * Budha-Zukra period

29-Feb-1792 birth of eldest son Payne Todd * Budha-Chandra period

Oct-1792 decease of Father

24-Oct-1793 death of husband-1 * Budha-Mangala period * Mangala rogesha-6 illness, loss of spouse

24-Oct-1793 death of infant son-2 * Budha-Mangala period * Mangala maraka rules-2 from 5, loss of child

15-Sept-1794 marriage-2 to James Madison * Budha-Rahu period * expeditious marriage, Rahu-7

1797 death of her mother * Budha-Guru period * Guru yuvatipathi-7 from 4

Ketu Mahadasha * Shani-yuti-Ketu

1801 James Madison is asked by Thomas Jefferson to serve as Secretary of State. Considerable traveling (Ketu) due to this appointment, during the administration of POTUS-03. Ketu yuti dharmesha-9 Shani international humanistic global.

Zukra Mahadasha * Zukra-yuti-Budha

1809-1817 James Madison serves as POTUS-04 with Dolley serving as official entertainments boss * Zukra-Zukra swabhukti * Zukra vidyapathi-5 politics

Surya Mahadasha

Chandra Mahadasha

28-June-1836 death of James Madison (Dolley's age 68) * Chandra-Rahu period

Mangala Mahadasha

12-July-1849 Earthbody-Exit (age 81) * Mangala-Ketu period * Ketu-1

Distinctive features of the nativity


Etching of Dolley Payne Madison in her early decades, done on the basis of a previous painting

Surya * pitrikaraka

Chandra * matrikaraka * garha-karaka

Kuja * bhratru-karaka * virya-karaka

Budha * bandhava-karaka * zisya-karaka

Guru * dhavakaraka * bahuta-karaka

Zukra * svadhu-karaka * kalatra-karaka

Shani * duro-karaka * jara-karaka

Rahu * rajyalobha-karaka * picchala-karaka (slippery)

Ketu * kavandha-karaka * chidra-karaka

Ketu-Mithunaya yuti Shani-Mithunaya

Shani-yuti-Ketu-Mithunaya-1 had some devastating outcomes, since Shani becomes strong and He rules both 8 catastrophe and 9 wisdom-fortune.

A few months before marrying James Madison, Dolley Payne had been widowed by the yellow fever epidemic that had swept through Philadelphia. The infectious fever killed her first husband, her husband's parents, and her infant son, along with more than 5000 other citizens. Her father was already dead. She was left with one living son named Payne Todd, aged two.


Ketu-Mithunaya yuti Shani-Mithunaya


Dolley played a significant but somewhat culturally discounted role in establishing the future of the fledgling country and negotiating personality conflicts between the leaders. Her Zukra-yuti-Budha-Mesha-11 in the emotionally motivated, social-ordering, leadership-seeking; 10th-from-Chandra displays an empowered career as a socialite and community networker.

Without her physically active (Mesha) support, the shy and soft-spoken legal writer James Madison would likely have stayed in retirement following his exit (during his 40's) from the House of Representatives. Yet Dolley liked to network large groups, and her expertise in connecting people of disparate interests through shared food and drink (Zukra) and conversation (Budha) built Madison's career into a next position as Secretary of State then POTUS-04.

Rahu-Dhanushya-7 while Guru resides in 10th-from-Rahu is a yoga that brought Dolley into partnership alliances with some very powerful people, including her second husband.

At the time of their marriage, James Madison was 43 and the widow Dolley Payne was 26. Her Chandra-Karkata suggests marriage to elder persons while her 2nd-from-Chandra Becomes Simha bhava-3 which suggests that her second husband would be a political administrator and a political writer. Surya ruler of her 2nd-from-Chandra resides in 11th-from-Chandra suggesting the intensely social community and economic networking that framed her marriage to Madison.

Multiple homes and properties

Guru-4 in both spousal nativities show multiple homes and farm properties. Contrary to Dolley's Quaker upbringing, after marriage her homes were maintained by slaves. Their family (consisting of James, Dolley, Dolley's sister, and Dolley's son) could travel as needed, knowing that their homes were being operated in absentia by faithful slaves. Dharmapati Shani-yuti-Ketu-2 suggests that Dolley's beliefs were often permeable and inconsistent.

Skin disease

As is evident from her portraits, Dolley suffered from a skin condition (apparently rosacea) which worsened into dark markings during her elder years. rogesha-6 Mangala-Kumbha skin.

Agent of polarizing catalysis = the Son

dharmesha-9 Shani-yuti-Ketu while 5th-from-Chandra = bhava-6

Dolley's surviving son named Payne Madison did poorly in school (likely due to learning disabilities) then became an alcoholic and inveterate gambler. He was constantly in and out of jail for debts and "shooting incidents" (Mangala rogesha-6 in 9).

Her dissolute son was a source of constant frustration to his mother and his stepfather. In widowhood Dolley faced severe poverty. Firstly, her husband had neglected the affairs of his plantations, after which they had sold much of their property with slaves in order to pay her son's debts. When she secondly handed the management of the remaining properties to her son, he completely ruined any remaining wealth (Ketu).

Mangala-Kumbha Vriddhipathi-11 in 9 and rogesha-6 in 9 brings periods of both bounty and poverty for Dolley, and adds both gains and losses for the father.

Her father was a prosperous southern slave-plantation owner who freed all of his slaves according to his Quaker beliefs, then moved to Philadelphia where his business collapsed leaving the family without assets. Dolley had periods of devastating loss from sickness and she died lonely in acute poverty, however she also had decades of extraordinary luxury with abundant friends and income.

Lasting legacy of Punarvasu cheer

Dolley Madison is still a household name (4) in many USA homes; whereas the remarkable legal governance codifications of James Madison have been relegated to the history books for two centuries gone. Madison was publically appreciative and complimentary of Dolley as were nearly all of his colleagues.


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