Shani in 3rd-from-Chandra
Traditional Jyotisha Remedial Ratana for Shani
Shanaicarya reaches maturity = age 36
BP Lama commentary Shani Mahadasha
Om Sham Shanaishcharaye Namah
Sauri * Sauron * Shanicarya * Saniswaraya
Sahaja-bhava * Bhratru-daya
Saturan * Kevan
Sauran * Sauri * Shamash * Kronos * Kaivan * Khima * Anu * Ani * Ninurta * El * Eli
"The Old Sun"
the third house
Printing Press from c. 1568CE
resistance to messages (angels) - fear of collaboration - anxiety about publicity + obligation to respectfully discuss
mental weight, grave thoughts
resistance to siblings and small-group process + obligation to message and announce
profound sense of responsibility for matters of writing and publication yet frustration with communicative duties and often insufficient resources in the commercial office
Professor Shani's classroom in bhava-3 features the experience of matching the fear of the siblings , fear of the thought-group, fear of the ensemble, fear of thinking, fear of hands-arms, fear of lungs, fear of gesturing, fear of breathing. Fear creates scarcity and lack.
Shani's instruction in upachaya sthana are particularly objective and clear; "stop matching that which is not lawful to you" (stop matching the fears of others) and proceed with caution.
Children = Denied or delayed
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| Shani narrative in bhava- 3 |
| Agents of vikramasthana enact a fearful, life-threatening (Shani) script of punishment and restriction. |
Agents of bhava-3 = the siblings, cousins, cohort, coworkers, collaborators, transaction-groups, team-mates, ensemble, equipe, signalers, writers, publishers, reporters, announcers, hand-crafters, instructors, explainers, describers, scribes, media-messengers, senders of epistles and missives, evangelists, administrators, businesspeople. The bhava-3 agents say:
You follow the rules, or else we (the sibling-cousins, cohort, instructors) will eject you from the communication group, and freeze your access to our information transactions. Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 narrative of the threat of excommunication and dismissal is further embroidered with contributing voices from Shani's rashi, incoming drishti to bhava-3, Shani's angle from Chandra, Shani's placement in navamsha, planetary tenants in those bhava ruled by Shani, etc.
SEVA recommended service to others
For one who feels mentally fearful about negative potentials, or finds oneself in a chronic state of anxious worry about every detail of life, the best Seva may be offered to those with chronic depression that is so severe that they cannot (or believe they cannot) enjoy life. They may need significant help to have some laughter or amusement (5) visit inspiring holy places (9) or access hospital care (12).
The target folk are often beset with a crippling worry about annihilation, oppression, and scarcity (Shani) and they may seem to be blinded to positive evidence which contradicts their naysaying. Their mental mechanism may seem to be frozen by horrible worries. The anxiety may have a physical dimension which limits the function of the lungs, hands, arms, or shoulders.
Also Seva on behalf of those who have, congenitally or via injury, lost their fingers, hands, or arms, or who have chronic lung disease (Shani-3) can be very beneficial.
Also, on a more positive note, service to the deaf community such as teaching sign language to interpreters or training deaf students to communicate with their local sign language, or providing translation services for deaf audiences at public events, could be a wonderful Seva. Shani-3 can indicate deaf or hard-of-hearing.
Potentially helpful physical therapeutics
Seek therapy for depression and a tendency to look for negative implications. That type of depressed mentality is indicated by Shani-3. Ayurvedic medical professionals can suggest therapeutic diet, healing oils, massage, sleep, and exercise patterns which can alleviate some of the tendency to preferentially expect negative outcomes.
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Shani-Vrizabha * obligation to message about conserved values, collections
Shani-Mithunaya * obligation to message about mentality
Shani-Karkata * obligation to administer and message about folkways, ancient customs, and established cultural norms, security, patriotic roots
Shani-Simha * obligation to message about drama, politics, creativity
Shani-Kanya * obligation to message about service, debt, medicine, accusation
Shani in Vrizchika * obligation to message about transformation
Shani-Dhanuzya * obligation to message about humanism
Shani-Makara-Draco * obligation to message about governance
Shani-Meena * obligation to message about spiritual guidance, dreams
Shani in bhava- 3
naturally, any graha yuti Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 will alter the outcome
Writes about, discusses, reports on, makes announcements regarding, attends meetings and trainings on the topic of
institutional business, the transactions of the institutions.
Typically in communicative karma of government, very large corporation, industrial complex.
Karma of writing, announcements, reports, explanations, instruction
Karma of twins, teams, transactions, and talk
Repetitious Effort required due to Lack of communicative credibility (anti-Surya) Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 represents resistance to change which necessitates the effort that is required to achieve a consistent and credible role in communications technology.
Parashari drishti to domains: 5, 9, and 12.
If Shani-yuti-Surya, Shani's implications include the father
A sibling may create weight in the life of Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 .
Might be an anchoring social-legitimacy weight, adding respectability when formal situations require some type of escort .
Shani imposes regulated vertical (Makara) and horizontal (Kumbha) systems. Shani in bhava-3 = information reporting systems (media publishing).
Mental Anxiety. Works overtime to gain the respect of the neighbors, the team, or the departmental working group.
With professional seniority and a disciplined narrative, Shani-3 can mature into a capable, if austere, technical report writer.
Often a structured planner.
Fear and worry regarding the sibling-team and communication output.
"Have not reported lawfully enough" syndrome.
Shani feels comfortable in a natural bhava of Budha the tool-user. Shani-uttama is particularly powerful for writers.
If other graha especially Budha are supportive of writing excellence, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 = benefits of disciplined interior narrative, clearly formulated conversations, and structured writing plans.
Responsibility to Order Communicative Environments = Media Management
Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 's lifetime communication skills may be reduced or retarded.
Resistance to change in matters of
Minimalist style in verbal and written transactions. Provides the least possible information in reports and announcements.
The paucity of information provided and extreme brevity of meetings is not necessarily an aid to understanding. In fact the curt, abbreviated style associated with Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 can be a problem in business as Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 cannot easily chat.
Anxiety (throat constriction) about releasing too much information may produce social criticism for Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3. One may be perceived as withholding, controlling, or uncooperative.
On the other hand, when Shani enjoys a favorable rashi and supportive drishti, the messaging outcome can be elegantly streamlined.
The work team that must integrate a Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 member may find themselves frustrated. Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 cannot easily adapt one's style of communication or increase the speed of publication. Quicker minds may find Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 to be slow-going and rule-bound. Their depressed and delayed mentality seems unhealthy but indeed it has longevity; that persistent Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 team member will outlast the less patient and in the end the work will get done correctly unless the depression becomes too severe.
To avoid depression, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 must be engaged in mental, transactional, communications work! One must contribute to society in the areas of information management, sales, planning, and teamwork.
However, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 is normally too dour and fearful of change to become a successful manager of people. Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 is often happier working alone.
Handling information? yes. Handling people? no. (Exceptions: helpful drishti from Budha or the L-3; bhratrupathi-3 in lagna; other beneficial angles.)
comfortable results : the hands, arms, and shoulders will change very little over time. One may have a surprisingly youthful appearance in these body parts as a result. These parts look old or world-weary (Shani) in the first part of life, but because Shani resists change, they may look surprisingly"timeless " in elder years.
Less helpful: lung karma, due to suppressed grief.
Shani in bhava-3 = an administrative functionary who works the socially approved system of collaborative mentality and daily business procedures.
Siblings, daily conversations, and administrative process are fundamentally stubborn, persistent, conservative and slow.
Shani=3 must apply sustained effort with limited resources toward the maintenance of day-to-day mundane communications, meetings and plans, writing and thinking, and the technology which supports group interactions.
Some difficulties or maturation required before obtaining fortune and 'wins' (5 and 9). Worry due to blocked access to meditation/prayer (12). Shani's extreme sobriety can produce mental-emotional depression in bhava-3 of mental process.
Fully comfortable results from Professor Shani must wait for the fullness of time, but graha drishti of malefic to dushthamsha bhava-8 is generally beneficial.
Distrust of siblings-cousins, children, the father, and one's own dreams. Depressive mentality. Negative expectations. Worst-case thinking, suspicious of the motives of neighbors, teammates, and co-workers. Uncomfortable and unpopular in small groups such as corporate departments and sports teams.
Better if Shani occupies a rashi of Shani, Zukra, or Budha. Better with any type of support from Zukra
Typical mistakes due to past-life karmic ignorance
Mistakes may tend to follow an iterative pattern, and a long-term burden carried, in the areas of
Shani in bhava-3 tends toward moderate progress in the task of learning from one's mistakes in matters of small-group interaction. Pace of self-correction depends on whether Shani occupies a hospitable rashi.
Once the early mistakes are corrected, Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 institutes a rigorous routine of attention to the rules of business.
After mastery (Shani) is acquired via practical experience in "the school of hard knocks ", there may be surprising success in activities which demand intensive group collaboration (3) and close attention to matters of messaging, media-packaging, and public relations.
Less fluent, more stodgy and resistant, regarding sibling interactions, writing and conversation as a Youth. A younger sibling may cause heavy workload and become particularly burdensome.
After the age of 31 (past the first Saturn Return) Shani-2 will see better results from matters of the bhava ruled by Shani.
These men enjoy strong positions of Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3:
Shani in bhava-3 - deficiency of communications
upachaya bhava improves with Time
core areas of initial lack of understanding + required repetition =
A regulator of systems of reporting
One is judged according to one's collaborative, conversational mentality and publication skills.
May be rejected by the sibling or work-team.
A slow, pessimistic , and ponderous thinker. Hobbled by caution and mental negativity. Often invalidated by the work-group for slow response time . Karma of dealing with people who are mentally ill, short-tempered, or depressed. Always short of mercurial speed.
Shani friend of Budha = in 3 = good for clear written instructions because Shani resists verbosity .
Shani restricts both 5th and the 5th-from-5th = children either denied or a heavy responsibility
Four areas of special difficulty caused by karmic necessity to correct a deficiency of communication.
Core Practice Environments which require repetitive drill and study:
Depression and pessimism . Very demanding communicative work. Stage fright.
Mental discipline. Isolated and alienated from the dominant cultural conversation. Negative turn of mind ;"built for distance, not for speed". Very slow and painstaking progress in all projects.
Courage, a hallmark of bhava-3, is repressed by fearful Shani. Even if other Graha show communicative fluency, this native's internal narrative will exhibit social reticence and recurring self-doubt.
published narrative = Nietzsche
Capability to express or package the information one has access to and controls, is much constrained. Mentally cautious and reserved.
Publication, public expression handicapped by personal trepidation, government law, or conservative social policies.
Favors highly structured and dogmatic thought. Shani/3 is not a block against public speaking, but rather shows The muster needed to perform public communications duty.
If Budha is strong, Professor Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 may triumph in promoting His own views, after a very long struggle. But he will have to cultivate friendships with conservative thinkers to do so.
Repetitive thought patterns center on disciplinary matters: home, family, mother, the homeland .
Shani-3 Mental Effects
"No rest for the weary".
The perception of tiredness, harsh conditions, and mental limitations may be particularly acute when Shani-3 occupies a rashi of one's of Shani's planetary enemies = Surya, Chandra, or Mangala
One may be obliged to manage (3) an anxious mentality. The inner conversation receives less nourishing flow of new and different ideas, due to strict-Shani's punitive blockage on
Rigid thinking about time and lack of permission to relax. No easy release for worries. Materialistic mentality, creates depression.
Shani in 3 reduces mental health and positive ambition. Causes depression/anxiety set in a worst-case-scenario set of expectations stemming from difficulties with siblings in childhood. Feels pressure to conform in communicative style.
Beneficial for traditional crafts and formal thought which improves with practice, e.g., writing in formal styles, mastering social registers of speech and behavior, playing musical instruments, handling utensils.
The immediate younger sibling is likely to be quite productive of polarizing catalysis. Teamwork is demanding, with Shani-2 shouldering excess workload. Children are constrained by time or lack of resources, due to Shani's drishti upon bhava-5 and bhava-9.
Resistance and delay or blockage to hands or hearing. Native feels lifelong pressure to conform to traditional or lowest-common-denominator social practices.
bhava-3 ruled by Budha = a relatively neutral location for Shani. Everyone expects the work-group to produce"work". Shani is ready for that reality, with His characteristic hard-working and practical attitude toward life.
As a result one is seen as lacking enthusiasm for team-work. Native with Professor Shani teaching in classroom-3 is typically passed over for promotions, works twice as hard as everyone else yet receives less recognition, and finds oneself feeling cramped by rules for "correct" communication which non-Shani people seem to willfully ignore. Resentment and frustration in the team environment.
Excellent for bureaucrats, computer programming, very small families (usually without children, or only one highly structured child), technical writing, government or industrial inspectors, documentation of rules and regulations, military communications, computational (not philosophical) mathematics, other highly formalized, and rule-driven, mentalized work-group environments.
Shani's job is to inculcate personal responsibility (without guilt) and neutral acceptance of the karmic process.
Shani's impact on life experience is painful and frustrating but, in the end, extremely beneficial. The pain can be reduced dramatically through neutral awareness and acceptance of the role one plays in creating one's own destiny.
Unfortunately for the slow learner, Shani will give all the"time" necessary to repeat the lesson . For those of us who live a bit behind the curve of total wisdom, it is valuable to be aware of the most acute effects of Shani.
With forewarning , one can address these"scheduled" negativities, as they arise, with consciousness. One can meet each well-timed disappointment with a deeper commitment to forgiveness , acknowledgement and release.
Shani's negative, pessimistic, fearful, scarcity-oriented, survival-driven, and faith-lacking impact from bhava-3 gives Parashari drishti upon bhava 5, 9, and 12. This drishti pattern gives negative expectations which produce restriction, interruption, And delay in matters of:
To increase the chances of happiness in this life, one born with Professor Shani's classroom located in bhava-3 must remain particularly *vigilant* against the onslaught of Shani's legacy of negative expectations upon these realms of perception.
Strong, favorable graha in these domains will significantly override the prognosis for frustration and interruption in domains 3, 5, 9 and 12. Yet the presence of Professor Shani's drishti will be subtly noticeable. E.g., total blockage may turn to delay, or material handicap may manifest as psychological resistance - but Shani's karmic drishti will never be completely erased.
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bhava-3 = "siblings " which includes cousins, neighbor playmates, early schoolmates, etc. The keynote of bhava-3 is "competition".
Shani limits access to self-made financial wealth in preference to conformity with the wage-earning classes. If Shani-2 has his own business or independent means of financial wealth (not means given by the family) then one's income by this method is meager, and one lives "close to the bone", although this situation can improve with time.
Denied or delayed permission to establish one's own family, usually due to a perceived"need to wait" for material accumulations. (Upachaya - improves with time.)
Native experiences discipline of strict formalization upon the mentality . Writing, conversation, and small-group interaction, particularly conversation, are shaped and molded into conventional containers. Repeating the childhood training, adventure from the rigid, sanctioned form may be punished.
bhava-3 being 7th-from-9th, relationships with professors, priests, gurus, moral and ceremonial authorities, are highly formalized. For this reason Shani-2, while often highly skilled in formal academic and literary expressions, may not be invited into the academy.
Limited opportunity for individualization in relationship to religion;
conforms to the status quo.
When Shani occupies bhava-3, Shani-2 must be alert to the relationship between the domains aspected by Shani and the domains which give their"results " in domains 3, 5, 9, and 12.
Fruits of bhava-5 = bhava-3:
Children and recognition for creative genius (5) are delayed. (Brihaspati drishti to bhava-5 shortens the delay.) bhava-5 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-3. The fruits of creativity and pro-creativity Are delayed by rigid, materialistic mentality = negative expectations =depression.
Fruits of bhava-7 = bhava-5:
contracts and agreements (7). bhava-7 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-5. A central goal of marriage is typically to have children. bhava-5 contains many oppressive experiences for Shani-2 due to the existing Shani drishti. Jaya bhava = program to marry, to form fruitful and balanced partnerships, will show the effect of reduced expectations. Shani-2 often marries a partner who also has minimal expectations for success of speculative ventures.
bhava-5 is blocked by Shani drishti. Therefore t Shani-2expects the fruits of bhava-7 to be barren ,"not possible" or"going nowhere". Shani's impact on Surya's natural bhava = swabhava is particularly harsh.
Fruits of bhava-11 = bhava-9:
networks of friendship and marketplace profits (11). bhava-11 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-9. bhava-9 is blocked by Shani drishti. Therefore Shani-2 expects the fruits of bhava-11 to be barren,"not possible" or"going nowhere".
Desires to play a priestly role (such as professor or religious figure), to have grandchildren and students, to receive higher knowledge will receive a cool reception in the early years.
Shani's drishti directly on to bhava-9 restricts access to the temples of knowledge (universities, academies, spiritual centers) which offer higher philosophical education -- beyond the basic socialization levels of education provided in bhava-4.
Access to university graduate studies for example may be delayed until middle age. Shani delays access to religious wisdom-teachings due to Shani-2 's rigid and materialistic mentality. This limitation wizens with age however!
Shani in bhava-3 contains the seed of belief that the"fruits " of privilege of the sangha or cognoscenti not viable; therefore in one's total thinking about networks of association, these negative expectations will limit one's faith in setting higher goals.
As usual a strong graha occupying bhava-9 can mitigate Shani's drishti, perhaps reducing the strength of the limitations from blockage to resistance, or changing severe handicap to mere inconvenience.
In any case, Shani's 7th drishti onto bhava-9 is not so strong as Shani's 3rd drishti onto bhava-5.
bhava-3 is an upachaya dushthamsha therefore matters of bhava-3 improve with maturity and self-knowledge.
file update: 29-Mar-2019
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