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Graha* Bhava* Rashi* Gochara * Amsha


5th-from

Chandra

emotional intelligence


Emotionally Motivated romance, politics, creativity, idealism, games-and-gambling, speculation

Affectionate Feelings toward children, game-players, celebrities, those with dramatizing personalities


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Emotional cooperation

Vimshottari period of the ruler of 5th-from-Chandra is likely to contain a good deal of emotional creativity and pro-creativity.

The nature of the expectations is positive and self-directed.

If there are graha in occupation of 5th-from-Chandra, or the ruler of 5th-from-Chandra = exceptionally empowered, the situation can become much more emotionally intelligent.

psycho-emotional relationship based on ancient memory of:

  • children, esp. one's eldest child

  • romantic idealistic love, poetic literature

  • politics, genius, divine intelligence, literary creativity, theatre, performance arts,

  • gaming, speculative finance; stock-market, casino; entertainment and amusement

  • physical body heart, solar plexus


For male-feminine partnerships, the 5th-from angle resembles Surya thus is a fairly easy placement for male self-centered energy. However the 5th-from angle is less suitable for the feminine harmonizing Zukra, who favors a 2nd or 7th angle. Therefore the situation is different for male vs female perspectives.

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pitrikaraka Surya resides in 5th from Chandra


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Emotionally based interest in politics, drama, celebrity, entertainments.

  • POTUS-pair-39 Mental Health 1927- Rosalynn Smith Carter maintained an active political advocacy role parallel to her husband's political activist career.

  • Cleopatra 1932-2011 AIDS activist Elizabeth Taylor career dramatist. Also her seventh marriage to a USA Senator was explicitly political, and she served in his election campaign

Depending on other graha in 5th-from-Chandra, there may be a preference to decline fleshly children in favor of children of the creative intelligence. Yet if children occur, the eldest child prefer Surya-oriented lifestyles, is strongly associated with the father, and may have self-centered qualities.

  • POTUS-05 Monroe Doctrine 1758-1831 James Monroe * Surya-uttama * his eldest daughter earned a reputation for aristocratic exclusivity and pretentious selfishness "in the French style" which made her unpopular in more plebian culture of Washington political society.

Mangala resides in 5th from Chandra


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Kuja occupies 5th from Chandra dynamic, direct, competitive, innovative creativity

Often a dramatic person with sexual vitality and an emotionally energized thrust to occupy the center of attention. Supports successful ventures in politics, theatre, fashion, celebrity roles, personal uniqueness, entertainment, games-gambling, and creative initiatives.

Exceptional example showing emotionally-driven creativity:

Genesis 1951- musician Phil Collins * Guru-yuti-Kuja * Zukra-yuti-Kuja * Kuja-yuti-Rahu

Budha resides in 5th from Chandra


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Budha occupies emotionally-driven genius 5th from Chandra = narrative, explanatory, descriptive, diagramming, gesturing, messaging, commercial, collaborative, sibling-cohort-oriented creativity

Generous Guru resides in 5th from Chandra

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Guru occupies emotionally-driven genius 5th from Chandra = diverse, multiple-source, wisely abundant, doctrinal, theoretical creativity


From the perspective of the wife:

Dhava-karaka Guru in 5th-from Chandra. Husband's behavior often follows a pattern of romantic, poetic, creative and procreative. Since Guru's drishti into Chandra indicates abundance and fertility, typically there are Children from the marriage.

Female feels emotionally appreciative toward husband-1 and his intelligence, even if material circumstances of the the marriage are challenging.

5th-from characteristics in the emotional relationship to the first husband. The 1st spouse likes children, gambling and games including speculative finance, romance, theatre, and politics. Often, the spouse needs center-stage attention; regal entitlements; applause, praise.

Zukra resides in 5th from Chandra

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Zukra occupies emotionally-driven genius 5th from Chandra = musical, relationship-oriented, harmony-seeking, values-focused and wealth-accumulating creativity


Zukra, from the perspective of the husband:

kalatra-karaka Zukra in 5th-from Chandra = 5th-from characteristics in the emotional relationship to the wife(s). The wife needs much attention. She may be a brilliant genius and/or have an idealistic or dramatic "high maintenance" personality.

Shani resides in 5th from Chandra

Public Figures


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Shani occupies emotionally-driven genius 5th from Chandra = restricted, retarded, delayed, structured, status-seeking, disciplined, austere, elegant, limited creativity that responded first and foremost to the requirements of the social order

Stressed and pressured by celebrity. Children become a heavy responsibility, and children may be agents of social disapprobation.

  • UK-Queen 1926- Elizabeth-2 * Shani-11 parivartamsha Kuja-1-uttama * Three of her four children declared their intention to divorce, against the proscriptions (Shani) of the Church of England and thus potentially legally (Shani) debarring themselves from inheriting the royal throne (5). Eventually, she arranged to change the law. However, her children's behavior (especially the eldest) is known to have placed great pressure upon her sense of formal decorum (Shani).

May signal a delay (but not denial) in the birth of children

  • France-Queen 1775-1793 Marie Antoinette gave birth to a daughter in the eighth year of her marriage. For the first seven years of her unconsummated marriage, members of Marie's Hapsburg family had intervened with the disinterested King Louis (who favored fashion rather more than females) to no avail. However when a favored male courtier returned to Paris, the problem was resolved and the delayed legal heirs (Shani) were born. Nevertheless, three of the four died in childhood, and the survivor lost her royal title when the monarchy was abolished in 1794.

Beholden to politicians, gamblers, speculators, royalty, children, romantic lovers

The most favorable angle of public-private tension, at which the person achieves wisdom about one's fundamental emotional needs AND one's social obligations as a human citizen.

One is usually able to establish a balance between inner and outer viewpoints.

Overall a charismatic position which produces an increase in consciousness of the structure of divine intelligence, albeit through some struggles in the attempt to gain political approval (5) and complexities in the role of creativity and pro-creativity in the pursuit of approval.

May signal a delay in the arrival of children, or reduce the number of children, or indicate a source of karmic stress regarding children. One may be separated via duty from the children - or from the fun, or the games, or the celebrities. Shani typically indicates a resource-scarcity struggle in raising the children which is most commonly a shortage of Time, but could also manifest as a shortage of attention or other blockage of the mechanisms of connection such as prevention of communication.

  • POTUS-20 Universal Education 1831-1881 James Garfield lost his first child, a daughter, to diphtheria when the little one was three years old. Importantly, his government duties and personal lifestyle were such that he was at home for only five months during the first five years of his marriage. Therefore while he surely grieved the death of his child, he was also separated from her during the great majority of her life.

Either by their presence or by their absence,

  • Children, romance, celebrity, and politicsbecome the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom. These agents of Shani teach Professor Shani's curriculum by imposing conditions of delay, scarcity, blockage, resistance, and onerous duties.

One may be separated from the children by social duties (Shani) or face charges of negligence toward them.

Feels emotional pressure to achieve social approval through celebrity performance, displays of genius, or political authority.

Children become heavy responsibility, but the results of accepting this burden are morally and spiritually uplifting, but usually this benefit is recognized only in the second half of life.

One must work hard to protect and nurture the children . the native may find oneself in perpetual negotiation of the conflict between one's individual creative-intelligence relationship with one's children, versus professional and material responsibilities.

Yet the results of staying with this conflict and working through each individual step of the process are indeed favorable over the longer term.


Shani in 5th-from Chandra = 5th-from characteristics in the emotional relationship to the second husband. The 2nd spouse likes children , games, theatre, and politics. Often, the spouse needs to be engaged in creative arts, or to receive center-stage attention, applause.

RAHU resides in 5th from Chandra

politics, entertainment, creativity, children, fashion, courtly life, celebrity, games, genius


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Rahu occupies emotionally-driven genius 5th from Chandra = extraordinary, ambitious, taboo-challenging creativity


Sudden and dramatic emotional changes causes by eruption of ambitious or privilege-seeking desires in one's own children, one's lovers, or one's theatrical personality.

Often a very charming individual who delights in holding the center of attention.

  • Primary agents of personal and social disruption in life are one's children, one's romantic lovers, and one's own genius.

Disruption through Celebrity: one is changed and changes others via challenge to cultural norms "on stage", as the recipient of copious public attention and admiration

Emotional disruption caused by feeding upon the chaos of politics, literary creativity, salience or fame in performance arts.

  • Macedon-King o-Megos 356-323 BCE Alexander-III has enjoyed continuous cultural fame (5) for nearly 2400 years. His lovers were several but his most remarkable and definitive romance was with his boyhood companion, bodyguard and military second-in-command Hephaiston. Rahu-Kumbha-3 is exceptionally strong and casts a fiercely relationship-amplifying drishti upon Mangala-7.

Volatile, roller-coaster experience in romance and courtly love.

tendency to "fall in love" (romance, 5) in socially dramatic, taboo-breaking circumstances

  • Be Here Now 1931- Baba Ram Dass bhakti-love for Guru, watery trine

  • born into a financially, educationally, and politically elite family, Calif-Gov-pair 1955- journalist Maria O. Shriver fell in love with a beefcake body-builder who possessed a high school education

highly expedient, creative connection to politics, often based in the ambitions of the parents (Chandra) political foundation.

  • Pakistan-PM 1953-2007 Benazir Bhutto was born into an intensely political family

  • Calif-Gov-pair 1955- journalist Maria O. Shriver = niece of POTUS-35 Profiles in Courage 1917-1963 JFK and USA-Sen-Mass 1932-2009 Teddy Kennedy born into a family of extensive political influence. On the basis (Chandra) of her family's power, was able to craft a successful "two-person" political career for her unlikely mate and herself.

  • POTUS-38 Time to Heal 1913-2006 Gerald R. Ford' s stepfather who raised him was a chief local Republican organizer

  • the father of Friends 1969- drama-commerce Jennifer Aniston was a dramatic actor (5)

  • 14th Dalai Lama 1935- Policy of Kindness Tenzing Gyatso 's father was a local political personality and a compulsive gambler (compulsive Rahu-5)

Primary agents of personal and social disruption in life are one's children, one's romantic lovers, and one's own genius.

Disruption through Celebrity: one is changed and changes others via challenge to cultural norms "on stage", as the recipient of copious public attention and admiration

Emotional disruption caused by feeding upon the chaos of politics, literary creativity, salience or fame in performance arts.

KETU resides in 5th from Chandra

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Ketu occupies emotionally-driven genius 5th from Chandra = absent, dispersed, disoriented, disregarding, wandering, pilgrimage-seeking creativity

Often the eldest child is eccentric in character, perhaps apathetic about public life, or chooses an unconventional lifestyle. Much depends upon Ketu's ruler.

  • Standard Oil 1874-1960 philanthropy John D. Rockefeller fathered six children with his first wife. The eldest of the six was his only daughter who eschewed public attention and almost completed avoided the elite social behaviors into which she was born. By contrast, the other five children were her famous siblings, the "Five Rockefeller Brothers" who became attention-getting players in many spheres of public life including government, banking, and real-estate.

  • General Electric 1847-1931 Thomas Edison * eldest child a son, descended into mental illness. A serious alcoholic, the son had complained for years of abuse followed by abandonment from his work-obsessed (Rahu-6) absentee father. The extreme results were not only the product of Ketu in 5th-from-Chandra but also the correlation that 5th-from-Chandra is bhava-12 while ruler of 5th-from-Chandra = Mangala-8.

  • POTUS-pair-16 Illinois 1818-1882 Mary Todd Lincoln * three of her four sons died before their adulthood

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