Longevity * Ayur * Years
Ayu = Age
Length of the Flesh-body Inhabitation
see also: BPHS Randhra * Ayur Bhava-8
|BPHS Ch. 33. Effects of
Karakamsha 49. |
Effects of the eighth from Karakamsha.
"If a benefic, or the Graha, owning the eighth from Karakamsha, happens to be in the eighth from Karakamsha, the native will be long-lived,
Drishti/Yuti of both benefics and malefics will yield a medium span of life."
|Traditional Considerations of longevity in Jyotisha:|| |
Longevity = duration of the attention-fixation into the social-material plane before shifting the core attention into the astral plane = "death"
Generally, the principal indicators of longevity=
Randhra * bhava-8 * "aperture". Randhra bhava indicates the present-life micro-slice of the soul's endless cycle of destruction of the Form and rebirth into a new Form.
In samsara, the final physical death results in a final spiritual rebirth. However beings who have achieved samsara are nevertheless subject to larger-scale universal cycles of death and rebirth. Those who have become free of rebirth are nevertheless beholden to bigger laws.
Each emergence of the universe = one breath of Brahma, the Breather. Breath in = universe dies. Breath out = universe born. Like that. Forever.
|"If you ask what is the single most important key to longevity, I would have to say it is avoiding worry, stress and tension. And if you didn't ask me, I'd still have to say it." ~~ George Burns|
|bhava-3||According to the principle of bhavat-bhavam, Sahaja-bhava-3 8th-from-8th can play a key role in predicting longevity.|
|Vrishabha lagna|| One of the most virulent makara indicators for Vrishabha lagna ONLY = randhresha-8 uttama-Guru in 8th-from-8th bhava-3. |
When residing in 8th-from-8th, randhra-pathi uttama-Guru gains great power to swiftly turn the wheel of birth and death thus enforcing a rapid identity change often requiring a new body.
The unique chidra-dashaperiod of Shani-Guru may signify incarnation-end even when neither of the traditional maraka L-2 Budha or yuvatipathi-7 Mangala are active.
In this unique configuration, there need be no short-life graha in 8 (Surya, Chandra, Budha) to reduce the longevity. Vriddhipathi-11 Guru in bhava-3 typically provides abundant elder siblings and gain from hand-craft such as smithy, writing, sewing, weaving, drawing, or painting. However
bhava-8 = Randhra Bhava and Mangala
Randhra = "aperture". The psychic body contains numerous permeable apertures, openings, which functions as ports through which psychic instructions, memories, and information can travel in and out.
Scripted information regarding entry and exit from the physical form is controlled by Mangala. Kuja = natural regulator of bhava-1 = initial physical birth and Kuja = lord of bhava-8 which indicates the numerous psychological and physical regenerations which occur during a single lifetime.
Kuja = testosterone-driven, sporting, warlike and dynamic. Angaraka would generally prefer to have all incarnations imitate the charismatically self-destructive 1950's film actor James Dean, whose motto was "live fast, die young, and leave a good-looking corpse".
Luckily, Mangala has some powerful adversaries in every nativity, most notably"Shani the Yang-Energy Blocker".
Mangala the natural regulator of 8 wants always ready to initiate a cycle of death-and-rebirth. Whoever blocks Mangala, blocks rebirth = sustains the present life.
Shani-8 the Ultimate Mangala Blocker gives a loooong life -- often much longer than physically comfortable. Shani-8 may feel"left behind"after one's age group has largely passed over. As the frail, old great-grandfather wondered in the movie"Grumpy Old Men":"maybe God forgot about me."
Mangala-8 = life is reasonably long but circumstances of death are forceful. Perhaps via weapon, by fire or explosion, metal implement, perhaps a surgical knife or needle. Vehicular accidents when the vehicle is made of metal. Extreme sports involving forceful contact. Life is full of vital energy . Karaka for police work, military dangers.
Mangala-8 accepting drishti of Shani or Mangala in a rashi of Shani is even longer-living.
The explosion can be interior or exterior. For example, an internal explosion might manifest as a brain hemorrhage or heart attack. External could be gunshot.
Jyotisha methodology for assessment of longevity is somewhat controversial. IMO, the best first step in making the estimation of the life span, and often the only necessary step, is to view the Life Line in the palm of the dominant hand. The dominant hand is the hand which holds a writing pen or is the stronger tool-wielding hand.
| Q: I am seeing the two luminaries (Surya and Chandra) in the eighth house of my Jyotisha birth chart. However, I also see a Shani aspect from bhava-6 cast into bhava-8 and furthermore that drishti is within two degrees of arc of BOTH Sun AND Moon. |
I have always intuitively suspected that my work here in Terra-sphere would be completed before my hair turned completely gray... but I wonder: does the drishti of Saturn into Bhava-8 tend to delay the event of physical death?
Shani delays everything else .... it seems like the glance of His eye into the house of death-conditions should delay the departure date as well?
thanks for everything that you write Barbara. It's fascinating!
| A: |
Yes certainly, Shani drishti into radical bhava-8 can indeed extend longevity, because Shani gives resistance to change.
Shani likes to freeze things; stop-action; stonewall.
However Shani's frozen drishti only affects the physical body within the physical map.
Physical reality is seen via the rashi level measured from the radical lagna.
Shani's drishti to 8th-from-Chandra or 8th navamsha or 8th from randhresha are not germane to the question of physical-material forms.
Exempli gratia, Shani's drishti to 8th-from-Chandra could indicate Shani-type resistance to emotional change, a sort of stuck emotional response to life that blocks the flow (Chandra) of experiences and keep the native a bit more in bondage to materialistic fears when they are paddling their way down the river of life.
So yes, you're right: Shani drishti to any bhava slows, retards, delays the events of that bhava. Shani drishti can extend longevity somewhat.
One leaves behind that fleshy-nut of the dense body on schedule of the Vimshottari dasha, during a period of ruler of bhava-2 or during a period of ruler of bhava-7 * or a period of Ketu * or occasionally during a bhukti of Rahu particularly if Rahu is related to L-2 or yuvatipathi-7 .
However with a Shani-drishti into ayur-sthana-8, the typical prognosis of departure-from-third-density (flesh-shell)"before the half-way point" when Chandra-8 would change from "before age 60-70-ish" to"somewhat later than 60-70". (The full human-world life span is presumed to be 120 years.)
As always, the hand-palm of the dominant hand must confirm any longevity predictions made from a Jyotisha chart. Also, be sure to read a Shani-drishti into ayur-sthana-8 ONLY from the radical lagna (not from Chandra lagna, not from navamsha lagna, not from lagnesha lagna or randhresha lagna...).
Wishing you every happiness,
|Surya, Chandra, or Budha occupy bhava-8 or bhava-3|| |
If Surya, Chandra, or Budha occupy bhava-8 without life-extending drishti from Shani, longevity is typically reduced. However, if these life-reducers would serve also as vyayapathi, then there is some incremental gain of longevity.
first of all the very best and most accurate measure of longevity is not the Jyotisha chart.
There are four or five primary indicators of the size of the treasury of stored breaths which allocated for use during the present incarnation. The number of allowed breaths will basically determine the number of days and hours of the life span.
This is a general estimate. Some Jyotishi have extremely elaborate accounting methods of determining the number of breaths (tantrik scriptures contain the bookkeeping formulae .
In Jyotisha, we can look at the role of L-2 and yuvatipathi-7 from lagna, and L-2 and ruler of 7th-from-Chandra, and their relationship to bandesha-4 (the end of things); randhresha-8 (transformation and re-birth); and ruler-of-12 (dissolution of attachment, other worlds).
Natural Maraka Graha
Sometimes people overcome the maraka triggers and against all odds return to Earth bodies after making a decision to stay in one's body in order to protect one's family in some way.
Jyotisha can give an estimate and but this estimate should be confirmed with the palm lines. Even the palm lines can change when the native receives a new purpose in living, such as falling in love, having a child, or religious vocation discovered.
So none of the Jyotisha predictions are absolute, but they are guidelines.
Condition of Randhra Bhava - long life or short?
Hot and brilliant Surya in randhra bhava definitely reduces the number of breaths in this lifetime however Surya also provides a quick and honorable setting for the death passage, along with a spectacular rebirth.
Unless the palm lifeline is exceptionally short, folks will leave their bodies at the actuarially reasonable time in the era.
Example of a reasonably long life, likely within the actuarially normal range for her social class, nationality, level of education, gender etc.
UK-Queen 1926- Elizabeth-2 * born in 1926, still incarnated at age 90 in 2016:
| A shocking prediction from BPHS - but is it as simple as it appears? |
Q:I wanted to ask something you a question about a serious doubt thas has been mind-boggling to me.
I've been using the astrology software called Parashara's Light and I found this highlighted shloka which states the following:
Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra - Chapter 45: Longevity
56 - Super-natural longevity: A person having benefics in Kendras and/or Konas, while malefics are in Sahaj, Ari and Labha Bhava will obtain super-natural life span (one thousand years). Randhra Bhava, in this case, should be one of the rashis owned by a benefic.
Have you ever come across any chart with a similar configuration? Is such a lifespan like this possible? I don't think my karma account is this good. :-) Namaste
A:Namaste and Thanks for your note.
The passage from BPHS that you quote is incompletely explained because it has been compressed into shloka form for easy memorization and chanting handed down from generation to generation in a fixed metre.
The Sanskrit syllabic metric was the system for preserving knowledge memory in India during the dark ages of Kali Yuga. It required reducing most instructions to their kernel without explication or example and in some cases adding extra syllables to maintain the rhythmic metre.
The syllable rules produced some phrases which can make a challenge now for translators of the old Jyotisha commentaries into the modern languages. It is a much easier getting old samskritam into a modern prakritam and moderately easier translating into related Indo-European languages like English -- but there are still a few glitches and this stanza shows one of them.
This rule repeated in BPHS likely has been compressed for purposes of "packet transmission" via chanting. The full rule would be something similar to: "A person having benefics in Kendra and/or Kona, while malefics are in Sahaja, Ari and Labha Bhava *** within all 16 Parashari varga, and if free from all other restrictions, may*** obtain super-natural life span."
There is also a very common translator's error in this particular translation of the BPHS which has to do with a peculiarity of the modal verbs that are used so commonly in the Germanic languages such as English, Dutch and Icelandic.
Modals are verb inflections that express how the action or state is conceived by the speaker ". It is quite tricky to interpret "modality" in language translations, especially when an ancient text is getting translated into a modern text.
Grammatical "mood" the speaker's perception of the level of material certainty of a statement. In Sanskrit, mood is indicated by various grammatical means including modal suffixes attached to the verb, but in English we have lost nearly all the inflectional precision which was once available via subjunctive, optative et-cetera moods of the verb. To express "degree of certainty" in English, we have to use the modal particles such as will, may, can, must etc.
In English, will means the the speaker is 99% sure regarding the outcome. For example, "Tomorrow will be Friday." The modal will indicates a likelihood that no one feels obliged to challenge or question; it is commonly accepted and this outcome can be predicted with full confidence. However lesser degrees of certainty can be express using "could", can, "might", etc.
The translator presumes that will is the correct translation into English. However many of the original Sanskrit verbs carry the optative (choice-making) or subjunctive (speculative, imaginary) verb suffixes, and they really should be translated into English with more subtlety and less certainty.
Because the Vidya of Jyotisha consists of a complex set of rules and judgments upon various combinations of those rules, and because the original vocabulary was more subtle than can be fully conveyed into English, IMO every time you see the auxiliary verb will in this translation, will should be corrected to "may".
There are very many factors to consider when making a longevity prediction. Although the distribution of bhava-pati as counted from the radical lagna is indeed quite important, there are a number of deal-breakers that could invalidate the supernatural-longevity yoga. However those deal-breakers are not mentioned in the compressed format of the shloka.
So, replace will with "may" in the yoga definition, and take it that your longevity is probably near the high end of normal; perhaps you may reside continuously in the present flesh-form until your 10th or 11th decade. The larger question is: will you have the consciousness to use the time allotted in a karmicly optimal way?
Wishing you every happiness, healing from sorrow, guidance by inner light, and success in all of life's endeavors,
Barbara Pijan Lama, Jyotisha
THE LIFE OF MAN
"God created the donkey
and said to him.
"You will be a donkey. You will work un-tiringly from sunrise to sunset
carrying burdens on your back. You will eat grass,
you will have no intelligence and you will live 50 years."
The donkey answered:
"I will be a donkey, but to live 50years is much. Give me only 20years "
God granted his wish.
God created the dog
and said to him:
"You will guard the house of man. You will be his best Friend.
You will eat the scraps that he gives you and
you will live 30years.
You will be a dog."
The dog answered:
"Sir, to live 30years is too much, give me only15 years.
" God granted his wish.
God created the monkey
and said to him:
"You will be a monkey. You will swing from branch to branch doing tricks.
You will be amusing man and you will live 20 years."
The monkey answered:
"To live 20years is too much, give me only 10years."
God granted his wish.
Finally God created man
and said to him:
"You will be a man, the only rational creature on the face of the earth.
You will use your intelligence to become master over all the animals.
You will dominate the world and you will live 20years."
"Sir, I will be a man but to live only 20 years is very little,
give me the 30 years that the donkey refused,
the 15 years that the dog did not want and
the 10 years the monkey refused."
God granted man's wish
And since then ,
man lives 20 years as a man,
then marries and spends 30 years like a donkey,
working and carrying all the burdens on his back.
Then when his children are grown, he lives 15 years like a dog
taking care of the house and eating whatever is given to him,
so that when he is old,
he can retire and live 10 years like a monkey,
going from house to house and from one son or
daughter to another doing tricks to amuse his grandchildren."
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|Shloka||"Atha ayur bhava phala adhyayah"||BPHS Chapter 19|
|Sri Ganeshaya Namah: Atha ayurbhavaphala adhyayah||the effects of 8th house|
|1||ayurbhavaphalam cha atha kathayami dwija uttama
Ayuh sthana adhipaha kendre deergam ayuh prayachhati
|O superior Brahmin, I shall tell about the effects of the 8th house :
|2||ayuh sthanadhipaha papaihi saha tatra eva sansthitaha
Karoti alpa ayusham jatam lagneshah api atra sansthitaha
|3||evam hi shanina chinta karya tarkaihivichakshanaihi |
Karmadhipena cha tatha chintanam karyam ayushah
|Similarly, consider longevity|
|4||shashte vyaye api shashteshah vyayadhishah ripau vyaye |
Lagne ashtame sthitah va api deergham ayuh prayachhati
|5||swasthane swa anshake va api mitreshe mitramandire |
Deerghayusham karoti eva lagneshah ashtamah putrah
|6||lagna ashtamapa karmesha mandah kendratrikonayoho |
Labhe va sansthitaha tadvad disheyuhu deergham ayusham
|7||evam bahuvidha vidvat ayur yogaha prakirtitaha |
Eshu yo balavan tasya anusarat ayuradishet
|Many other yoga dealing with longevity can be seen, |
of these the strength should be considered in deciding longevity
|8||ashtamadhipatau kendre lagneshe balavarjate |
Vinshat varshanasau jeevet dwatrinshat paramayusham
|9||randhreshe nichharashisthe randhre papagrahaihiyute |
Lagneshe durbale jantuhu alpaayuhu bhavati dhruvam
|10||randhreshe papasanyukte randhre papagrahaihi yute |
Vyaye krooragrahakrante jatamatram mritihi bhavet
|11||kendratrikonagaha papaha shubaha shashta ashtaga yadi |
Lagne nichhastha randhreshaha jatah sadhyo mrito bhavet
|12||panchame papasanyukte randhreshe papasanyukte |
Randhre papagrahaihi yukte swa alpamayuhu prajayate
|13||randhreshe randhrarashisthe chandre papasamanvite |
Shubhadrishtiviheene cha masa ante cha mritihi bhavet
|14||lagneshe swaucchara shisthe chandre labha samanvite |
Randhrasthanagate jeeve deergham ayuhu na sanshayah
|One will be long-lived without any doubt,|
|15||lagneshah ati bali drishtaha kendrasansthaihi shubhagrahaihi |
Dhanaihi sarvagunaihi sardha deerghamayuhu prayacchati
endowed with all virtues