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Amsha

Longevity * Ayur * Years

Ayu = Age

Length of the Flesh-body Inhabitation

see also: BPHS Randhra * Ayur Bhava-8

BPHS Ch. 33. Effects of Karakamsha 49.

Effects of the eighth from Karakamsha.

"If a benefic, or the Graha, owning the eighth from Karakamsha, happens to be in the eighth from Karakamsha, the native will be long-lived,

  • while a malefic, placed in the eighth from Karakamsha, will reduce the life span.

Drishti/Yuti of both benefics and malefics will yield a medium span of life."

Traditional Considerations of longevity in Jyotisha:

Longevity = duration of the attention-fixation into the social-material plane before shifting the core attention into the astral plane = "death"

Generally, the principal indicators of longevity=

  • randhra-bhava-8 and its lord

  • 8th-from-8th sahaja-bhava-3 and its lord

  • Lord of the 88th dwadamsha

  • 8th-from-karakamsha

Randhra * bhava-8 * "aperture". Randhra bhava indicates the present-life micro-slice of the soul's endless cycle of destruction of the Form and rebirth into a new Form.

  • There is no such thing as death without rebirth. Human reality is apprehended through a fundamentally dualistic filter. Every element of human life and consciousness has an opposite. Everything. And everything which has assumed one form will eventually assume the opposite form, then swing back again. Like that. Forever.

In samsara, the final physical death results in a final spiritual rebirth. However beings who have achieved samsara are nevertheless subject to larger-scale universal cycles of death and rebirth. Those who have become free of rebirth are nevertheless beholden to bigger laws.

Each emergence of the universe = one breath of Brahma, the Breather. Breath in = universe dies. Breath out = universe born. Like that. Forever.

Jyotisha says:

  • For maximum longevity in the present fleshly form+ randhresha-8 should have endurance .

  • Lagnesha should also have strength.

  • Shani elongates the lifespan. Mangala truncates the life span.

  • bhratrupathi-3 (8th-from-8th) in 8 speeds up the transformative processes, increases the energy available to abandon old identities and take on new ones. bhratrupathi-3 in 8 increases magical powers but reduces the lifespan.

"If you ask what is the single most important key to longevity, I would have to say it is avoiding worry, stress and tension. And if you didn't ask me, I'd still have to say it." ~~ George Burns
bhava-3 According to the principle of bhavat-bhavam, Sahaja-bhava-3 8th-from-8th can play a key role in predicting longevity.
Vrishabha lagna One of the most virulent makara indicators for Vrishabha lagna ONLY = randhresha-8 uttama-Guru in 8th-from-8th bhava-3.

When residing in 8th-from-8th, randhra-pathi uttama-Guru gains great power to swiftly turn the wheel of birth and death thus enforcing a rapid identity change often requiring a new body.

The unique chidra-dashaperiod of Shani-Guru may signify incarnation-end even when neither of the traditional maraka L-2 Budha or yuvatipathi-7 Mangala are active.

In this unique configuration, there need be no short-life graha in 8 (Surya, Chandra, Budha) to reduce the longevity. Vriddhipathi-11 Guru in bhava-3 typically provides abundant elder siblings and gain from hand-craft such as smithy, writing, sewing, weaving, drawing, or painting. However

bhava-8 = Randhra Bhava and Mangala

Randhra = "aperture". The psychic body contains numerous permeable apertures, openings, which functions as ports through which psychic instructions, memories, and information can travel in and out.

Scripted information regarding entry and exit from the physical form is controlled by Mangala. Kuja = natural regulator of bhava-1 = initial physical birth and Kuja = lord of bhava-8 which indicates the numerous psychological and physical regenerations which occur during a single lifetime.

Kuja = testosterone-driven, sporting, warlike and dynamic. Angaraka would generally prefer to have all incarnations imitate the charismatically self-destructive 1950's film actor James Dean, whose motto was "live fast, die young, and leave a good-looking corpse".

Luckily, Mangala has some powerful adversaries in every nativity, most notably"Shani the Yang-Energy Blocker".

Mangala the natural regulator of 8 wants always ready to initiate a cycle of death-and-rebirth. Whoever blocks Mangala, blocks rebirth = sustains the present life.

Shani-8 the Ultimate Mangala Blocker gives a loooong life -- often much longer than physically comfortable. Shani-8 may feel"left behind"after one's age group has largely passed over. As the frail, old great-grandfather wondered in the movie"Grumpy Old Men":"maybe God forgot about me."

  • Exception: Shani in 8 mutual drishti of Guru = briefer longevity Shani Makara vs. Guru Karkata = a particularly short life.

Mangala-8 = life is reasonably long but circumstances of death are forceful. Perhaps via weapon, by fire or explosion, metal implement, perhaps a surgical knife or needle. Vehicular accidents when the vehicle is made of metal. Extreme sports involving forceful contact. Life is full of vital energy . Karaka for police work, military dangers.

Mangala-8 accepting drishti of Shani or Mangala in a rashi of Shani is even longer-living.

The explosion can be interior or exterior. For example, an internal explosion might manifest as a brain hemorrhage or heart attack. External could be gunshot.

Jyotisha methodology for assessment of longevity is somewhat controversial. IMO, the best first step in making the estimation of the life span, and often the only necessary step, is to view the Life Line in the palm of the dominant hand. The dominant hand is the hand which holds a writing pen or is the stronger tool-wielding hand.

Q: I am seeing the two luminaries (Surya and Chandra) in the eighth house of my Jyotisha birth chart. However, I also see a Shani aspect from bhava-6 cast into bhava-8 and furthermore that drishti is within two degrees of arc of BOTH Sun AND Moon.

I have always intuitively suspected that my work here in Terra-sphere would be completed before my hair turned completely gray... but I wonder: does the drishti of Saturn into Bhava-8 tend to delay the event of physical death?

Shani delays everything else .... it seems like the glance of His eye into the house of death-conditions should delay the departure date as well?

thanks for everything that you write Barbara. It's fascinating!

A:

Yes certainly, Shani drishti into radical bhava-8 can indeed extend longevity, because Shani gives resistance to change.

Shani likes to freeze things; stop-action; stonewall.

However Shani's frozen drishti only affects the physical body within the physical map.

Physical reality is seen via the rashi level measured from the radical lagna.

Shani's drishti to 8th-from-Chandra or 8th navamsha or 8th from randhresha are not germane to the question of physical-material forms.

Exempli gratia, Shani's drishti to 8th-from-Chandra could indicate Shani-type resistance to emotional change, a sort of stuck emotional response to life that blocks the flow (Chandra) of experiences and keep the native a bit more in bondage to materialistic fears when they are paddling their way down the river of life.

So yes, you're right: Shani drishti to any bhava slows, retards, delays the events of that bhava. Shani drishti can extend longevity somewhat.

One leaves behind that fleshy-nut of the dense body on schedule of the Vimshottari dasha, during a period of ruler of bhava-2 or during a period of ruler of bhava-7 * or a period of Ketu * or occasionally during a bhukti of Rahu particularly if Rahu is related to L-2 or yuvatipathi-7 .

However with a Shani-drishti into ayur-sthana-8, the typical prognosis of departure-from-third-density (flesh-shell)"before the half-way point" when Chandra-8 would change from "before age 60-70-ish" to"somewhat later than 60-70". (The full human-world life span is presumed to be 120 years.)

As always, the hand-palm of the dominant hand must confirm any longevity predictions made from a Jyotisha chart. Also, be sure to read a Shani-drishti into ayur-sthana-8 ONLY from the radical lagna (not from Chandra lagna, not from navamsha lagna, not from lagnesha lagna or randhresha lagna...).

Wishing you every happiness,

BPL Jyotisha

Surya, Chandra, or Budha occupy bhava-8 or bhava-3

If Surya, Chandra, or Budha occupy bhava-8 without life-extending drishti from Shani, longevity is typically reduced. However, if these life-reducers would serve also as vyayapathi, then there is some incremental gain of longevity.

LONGEVITY

first of all the very best and most accurate measure of longevity is not the Jyotisha chart.

  • The best measure is the palm of the hand with which one writes.

  • If that Life Line is short, medium, or long it will tell us the truth.

  • However Jyotisha can provide a good confirmation of the reality of the Life Line.

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Allocated breaths

There are four or five primary indicators of the size of the treasury of stored breaths which allocated for use during the present incarnation. The number of allowed breaths will basically determine the number of days and hours of the life span.

This is a general estimate. Some Jyotishi have extremely elaborate accounting methods of determining the number of breaths (tantrik scriptures contain the bookkeeping formulae .

In Jyotisha, we can look at the role of L-2 and yuvatipathi-7 from lagna, and L-2 and ruler of 7th-from-Chandra, and their relationship to bandesha-4 (the end of things); randhresha-8 (transformation and re-birth); and ruler-of-12 (dissolution of attachment, other worlds).

  • L-2 from lagna

    yuvatipathi-7 from lagna

  • rules 2nd-from-Chandra

    ruler of 7th-from-Chandra

Natural Maraka Graha

  • Shani, Mangala and Rahu = natural maraka graha.

  • Budha by nature will cause illness due to over-thinking but Kumara is not a natural maraka.

  • Chandra loves family therefore by nature Soma clings to life. He can become a temporal maraka the same way that any graha may become a temporal maraka, by ruling bhava-2 or bhava-7; however by nature Chandra clings to life.

  • Ketu by nature is a separator and if Ketu becomes associated with a temporal maraka He is often the trigger agent for physical death.

  • Zukra is a die-hard sensualist who craves sense pleasures and naturally He does not want to abandon the Sense Pleasure Vehicle.

Sometimes people overcome the maraka triggers and against all odds return to Earth bodies after making a decision to stay in one's body in order to protect one's family in some way.

Jyotisha can give an estimate and but this estimate should be confirmed with the palm lines. Even the palm lines can change when the native receives a new purpose in living, such as falling in love, having a child, or religious vocation discovered.

So none of the Jyotisha predictions are absolute, but they are guidelines.

Condition of Randhra Bhava - long life or short?

Hot and brilliant Surya in randhra bhava definitely reduces the number of breaths in this lifetime however Surya also provides a quick and honorable setting for the death passage, along with a spectacular rebirth.

  • Shani gives a fear and resistance toward death which extends the life. Not a happy indication but a long one.

Unless the palm lifeline is exceptionally short, folks will leave their bodies at the actuarially reasonable time in the era.

  • For example in the modern age, in the first world, somewhere around 85 is the right place to look for the combination of maraka graha to become active in the Vimshottari Dasha.

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Example of a reasonably long life, likely within the actuarially normal range for her social class, nationality, level of education, gender etc.

UK-Queen 1926- Elizabeth-2 * born in 1926, still incarnated at age 90 in 2016:

  • randhresha-8 = uttama-Surya in bhava-4 = protective 9th-from-8th. No graha occupy bhava-8.

  • ruler of 8th-from-8th bhratrupathi-3 = nichha-bhanga Guru in lagna. nichha-Budha protective dharmesha-9 in 3.

A shocking prediction from BPHS - but is it as simple as it appears?

Q:I wanted to ask something you a question about a serious doubt thas has been mind-boggling to me.

I've been using the astrology software called Parashara's Light and I found this highlighted shloka which states the following:

Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra - Chapter 45: Longevity

56 - Super-natural longevity: A person having benefics in Kendras and/or Konas, while malefics are in Sahaj, Ari and Labha Bhava will obtain super-natural life span (one thousand years). Randhra Bhava, in this case, should be one of the rashis owned by a benefic.

Have you ever come across any chart with a similar configuration? Is such a lifespan like this possible? I don't think my karma account is this good. :-) Namaste


A:Namaste and Thanks for your note.

The passage from BPHS that you quote is incompletely explained because it has been compressed into shloka form for easy memorization and chanting handed down from generation to generation in a fixed metre.

The Sanskrit syllabic metric was the system for preserving knowledge memory in India during the dark ages of Kali Yuga. It required reducing most instructions to their kernel without explication or example and in some cases adding extra syllables to maintain the rhythmic metre.

The syllable rules produced some phrases which can make a challenge now for translators of the old Jyotisha commentaries into the modern languages. It is a much easier getting old samskritam into a modern prakritam and moderately easier translating into related Indo-European languages like English -- but there are still a few glitches and this stanza shows one of them.

This rule repeated in BPHS likely has been compressed for purposes of "packet transmission" via chanting. The full rule would be something similar to: "A person having benefics in Kendra and/or Kona, while malefics are in Sahaja, Ari and Labha Bhava *** within all 16 Parashari varga, and if free from all other restrictions, may*** obtain super-natural life span."

There is also a very common translator's error in this particular translation of the BPHS which has to do with a peculiarity of the modal verbs that are used so commonly in the Germanic languages such as English, Dutch and Icelandic.

Modals are verb inflections that express how the action or state is conceived by the speaker ". It is quite tricky to interpret "modality" in language translations, especially when an ancient text is getting translated into a modern text.

Grammatical "mood" the speaker's perception of the level of material certainty of a statement. In Sanskrit, mood is indicated by various grammatical means including modal suffixes attached to the verb, but in English we have lost nearly all the inflectional precision which was once available via subjunctive, optative et-cetera moods of the verb. To express "degree of certainty" in English, we have to use the modal particles such as will, may, can, must etc.

In English, will means the the speaker is 99% sure regarding the outcome. For example, "Tomorrow will be Friday." The modal will indicates a likelihood that no one feels obliged to challenge or question; it is commonly accepted and this outcome can be predicted with full confidence. However lesser degrees of certainty can be express using "could", can, "might", etc.

The translator presumes that will is the correct translation into English. However many of the original Sanskrit verbs carry the optative (choice-making) or subjunctive (speculative, imaginary) verb suffixes, and they really should be translated into English with more subtlety and less certainty.

Because the Vidya of Jyotisha consists of a complex set of rules and judgments upon various combinations of those rules, and because the original vocabulary was more subtle than can be fully conveyed into English, IMO every time you see the auxiliary verb will in this translation, will should be corrected to "may".

There are very many factors to consider when making a longevity prediction. Although the distribution of bhava-pati as counted from the radical lagna is indeed quite important, there are a number of deal-breakers that could invalidate the supernatural-longevity yoga. However those deal-breakers are not mentioned in the compressed format of the shloka.

So, replace will with "may" in the yoga definition, and take it that your longevity is probably near the high end of normal; perhaps you may reside continuously in the present flesh-form until your 10th or 11th decade. The larger question is: will you have the consciousness to use the time allotted in a karmicly optimal way?

Wishing you every happiness, healing from sorrow, guidance by inner light, and success in all of life's endeavors,

Sincerely,

Barbara Pijan Lama, Jyotisha

THE LIFE OF MAN


"God created the donkey

and said to him.

"You will be a donkey. You will work un-tiringly from sunrise to sunset

carrying burdens on your back. You will eat grass,

you will have no intelligence and you will live 50 years."

The donkey answered:

"I will be a donkey, but to live 50years is much. Give me only 20years "

God granted his wish.

God created the dog

and said to him:

"You will guard the house of man. You will be his best Friend.

You will eat the scraps that he gives you and

you will live 30years.

You will be a dog."

The dog answered:

"Sir, to live 30years is too much, give me only15 years.

" God granted his wish.

God created the monkey

and said to him:

"You will be a monkey. You will swing from branch to branch doing tricks.

You will be amusing man and you will live 20 years."

The monkey answered:

"To live 20years is too much, give me only 10years."

God granted his wish.

Finally God created man

and said to him:

"You will be a man, the only rational creature on the face of the earth.

You will use your intelligence to become master over all the animals.

You will dominate the world and you will live 20years."

Man responded:

"Sir, I will be a man but to live only 20 years is very little,

give me the 30 years that the donkey refused,

the 15 years that the dog did not want and

the 10 years the monkey refused."

God granted man's wish

And since then ,

man lives 20 years as a man,

then marries and spends 30 years like a donkey,

working and carrying all the burdens on his back.

Then when his children are grown, he lives 15 years like a dog

taking care of the house and eating whatever is given to him,

so that when he is old,

he can retire and live 10 years like a monkey,

going from house to house and from one son or

daughter to another doing tricks to amuse his grandchildren."

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Shloka "Atha ayur bhava phala adhyayah" BPHS Chapter 19
Sri Ganeshaya Namah: Atha ayurbhavaphala adhyayah the effects of 8th house
1 ayurbhavaphalam cha atha kathayami dwija uttama

Ayuh sthana adhipaha kendre deergam ayuh prayachhati

O superior Brahmin, I shall tell about the effects of the 8th house : [this] gives long life to the native
2 ayuh sthanadhipaha papaihi saha tatra eva sansthitaha

Karoti alpa ayusham jatam lagneshah api atra sansthitaha

  • If lord of 8th house joins malefics
  • or Lord of Lagna in the 8th house itself,

    the native will be short-lived

3 evam hi shanina chinta karya tarkaihivichakshanaihi

Karmadhipena cha tatha chintanam karyam ayushah

Similarly, consider longevity
4 shashte vyaye api shashteshah vyayadhishah ripau vyaye

Lagne ashtame sthitah va api deergham ayuh prayachhati

  • Lord of 6th be in 6th or 12th,
  • lord of 12th be in 12th
  • or lords of 12th and 6th be in lagna or 8th,

    confers long life to the native

5 swasthane swa anshake va api mitreshe mitramandire

Deerghayusham karoti eva lagneshah ashtamah putrah

  • If lords of lagna, 8th and 5th
  • be in own house, own navamshaor in friendly rashi,
the native will enjoy long life
6 lagna ashtamapa karmesha mandah kendratrikonayoho

Labhe va sansthitaha tadvad disheyuhu deergham ayusham

  • Lords of lagna, 8th, 10th and Saturn
  • are in kendra or kona or in 11th house ,
then the native will have a long life
7 evam bahuvidha vidvat ayur yogaha prakirtitaha

Eshu yo balavan tasya anusarat ayuradishet

Many other yoga dealing with longevity can be seen,

of these the strength should be considered in deciding longevity

8 ashtamadhipatau kendre lagneshe balavarjate

Vinshat varshanasau jeevet dwatrinshat paramayusham

  • Lord of 8th in Kendra,
  • lagna lord be devoid of strength,
the native will live between 20 and 32 years
9 randhreshe nichharashisthe randhre papagrahaihiyute

Lagneshe durbale jantuhu alpaayuhu bhavati dhruvam

  • 8th lord in debilitation,
  • malefics in 8th house,
  • weak lagna lord,
the native will be short-lived
10 randhreshe papasanyukte randhre papagrahaihi yute

Vyaye krooragrahakrante jatamatram mritihi bhavet

  • Lord of 8th be with malefics,
  • malefics be in the 8th house,
  • malefics in 12th house,
death will occur immediately after birth
11 kendratrikonagaha papaha shubaha shashta ashtaga yadi

Lagne nichhastha randhreshaha jatah sadhyo mrito bhavet

  • Malefics in angle or trines,
  • benefics in 6th or 8th,
  • 8th lord debilitated in lagna,
the native will dies immediately after birth
12 panchame papasanyukte randhreshe papasanyukte

Randhre papagrahaihi yukte swa alpamayuhu prajayate

  • Malefics in 5th,
  • lord of 8th joining malefics,
  • malefic in 8th house,
the native will be short -lived
13 randhreshe randhrarashisthe chandre papasamanvite

Shubhadrishtiviheene cha masa ante cha mritihi bhavet

  • Lord of 8th in 8th house,
  • moon be with malefic, without any benefic aspects,
the native will die within one month of birth
14 lagneshe swaucchara shisthe chandre labha samanvite

Randhrasthanagate jeeve deergham ayuhu na sanshayah

One will be long-lived without any doubt,
  • if lagna lord be in exaltation sign ,
  • Chandra be in 11th house
  • and Jupiter be in 8th house
15 lagneshah ati bali drishtaha kendrasansthaihi shubhagrahaihi

Dhanaihi sarvagunaihi sardha deerghamayuhu prayacchati

  • Lagna lord in great strength,
  • is aspected by benefics placed in kendra,
the person will be wealthy,

endowed with all virtues

and long-lived"